R ANDRO / ANDROSTERONE

[TubZy]

Ah, interesting. What would you suggest as PCT?

Honestly, probably just zinc finger/electrolyte, maybe some naltrexone too. Although you could run herb rotation as well, like some people do.

Most of those pro hormones are only mildy suppressive, R andro being the least. You don't need clomid or anything like that.

 

[djohn051]

What brand of R-Andro have you guys been using?

I want to make sure I buy the correct one before starting.

 

[D4n]

@djohn051 this one Super R-Andro Rx – IronMag Labs

 

[djohn051]

@djohn051 this one Super R-Andro Rx – IronMag Labs

Thanks!

 

[MNK99]

Questions:
1. Any issue using a bit below normal dosing on rest days and more on workout days?
Like 200mg-300mg on rest days and 400-500mg on workout days. Or should I keep it the same everyday?
2. Should I increase this at 3 to 4 weeks, and or at 8 weeks? Nothing wrong with running a low-moderate dose for 8 weeks right?
I'll re-up as needed, if I feel it helps...OR should I just run 8 weeks at 200mg a day?
3. When I re-up should I by 4 bottles of each? 160 each?
Maybe I'll get 8 and negotiate it and keep them all in the fridge... could turn that into other money tho. Bloody hell.



Note:
I'll use the K1ngsblood after that for PCT and possibly whatever TMO herbs I have in my fridge.

I may have to use less than I could physically use... just because I don't want drastic mood shifts. I did notice that, on a couple days on Randro and 4Andro. May have been adjusting to it, as well. And I did have situational stress from events.

My lowered estrogen and stiffness is much improved over time as well as with using 4-Andro. Less pain, and stuff.
STILL flexibility issues during the workout, but it gets better.

 

[D4n]

I had bad cramp in both my calves while playing football Saturday, confirms the potassium tanking part of Andro. Skin has more moisture the last few days which is a good thing but anxiety up a little

 

[MNK99]

How long were people's cycles?
I'm in my first one... I think I used R-Andro solo for 9-10 days, and then added 4-Andro a bit later, so like 3 weeks total of R-andro so far. I'm tired after working out, physically. I would be anyways at times, but yeah really tired. I slept like 7-8 hrs yesterday (a lot for me normally).

I'm also worried about my knees, left one especially. I don't go too hard on legs - unless I'm doing sports rehab/training with trainers, bc I have cartilage issues (and double jointedness). Am I more injury prone on R-Andro and or 4-Andro? I will take it easy, my left knee hurts a bit. Relatives have had knee surgery (usually far older than me and female), I can't do that. A few years ago an ortho doc told me to stop running, I did and switched to elliptical and only really to warm up usually. I can't sit cross legged comfortably (like in meditating or whatever).

 

[MNK99]

Increased Hunger:
-How much does this increase your guys' hunger?
I was cutting with ostarine (and temporarily LGD), before taking fin (by a few months), and I'm sure they made me way hungrier.
Obviously I'm not taking any of that stuff nor similar (nor Test) until this PFS bs is past tense.

I do get hungrier for sure but it's subtle and I ate more on workout days anyways way before this. I'm recompositioning anyways right now. I'm taking 400mg of each right now, sometimes 500mg. I ate 3300 Cal's yesterday. Above TDEE by 500-600 or so. Maybe not actually.

 

[Goose12]

How long were people's cycles?
I'm in my first one... I think I used R-Andro solo for 9-10 days, and then added 4-Andro a bit later, so like 3 weeks total of R-andro so far. I'm tired after working out, physically. I would be anyways at times, but yeah really tired. I slept like 7-8 hrs yesterday (a lot for me normally).

I'm also worried about my knees, left one especially. I don't go too hard on legs - unless I'm doing sports rehab/training with trainers, bc I have cartilage issues (and double jointedness). Am I more injury prone on R-Andro and or 4-Andro? I will take it easy, my left knee hurts a bit. Relatives have had knee surgery (usually far older than me and female), I can't do that. A few years ago an ortho doc told me to stop running, I did and switched to elliptical and only really to warm up usually. I can't sit cross legged comfortably (like in meditating or whatever).

4 to 6 weeks is usually the goal. The theory is the longer the better.

 

[MNK99]

So if tolerated @Goose12, a longer 8 to 10 week cycle is fine? It would potentially be at a lower dose, if necessary. I'd use PCT for sure.

 

[MNK99]

TubZy
Today at 10:48 AM

"The people that also run multiple cycle after cycle seem to experience it as well just at shorter durations meaning every cycle starts off good and the positive effects wear off earlier and earlier each cycle eg. feel good for four weeks, then next cycle feel good for two weeks then next cycle only feel good the first week then feel like crap onward. Seems mostly due to tolerance IMO.

If one really wanted to test it, go on a water fast for for two weeks or so then run it again after you come off the fast, see how you feel, you probably will respond much better to it."

-I moved my question here bc I think it's more appropriate.
-This is true of anything really, right @TubZy? i.e. Randro, 4-Andro, Ru486, after cycling those and if there's diminishing returns, a water fast will restore sensitivity to hormones (down the line, after downregulation of many as well as upregulating cortisol), and then sensitivity to practically all treatments (herbs, workouts, etc) will be enhanced.
-Also moving fingers in weird way sometimes and hurting the joints? Is this from the Andro's? Like my finger twitches randomly and hurts... Possibly a half day or a few hours after working out, or even just the next day on a rest day. This might be my other wierd issues, or some connective tissue thing.

 

[TubZy]

TubZy
Today at 10:48 AM

"The people that also run multiple cycle after cycle seem to experience it as well just at shorter durations meaning every cycle starts off good and the positive effects wear off earlier and earlier each cycle eg. feel good for four weeks, then next cycle feel good for two weeks then next cycle only feel good the first week then feel like crap onward. Seems mostly due to tolerance IMO.

If one really wanted to test it, go on a water fast for for two weeks or so then run it again after you come off the fast, see how you feel, you probably will respond much better to it."

-I moved my question here bc I think it's more appropriate.
-This is true of anything really, right @TubZy? i.e. Randro, 4-Andro, Ru486, after cycling those and if there's diminishing returns, a water fast will restore sensitivity to hormones (down the line, after downregulation of many as well as upregulating cortisol), and then sensitivity to practically all treatments (herbs, workouts, etc) will be enhanced.
-Also moving fingers in weird way sometimes and hurting the joints? Is this from the Andro's? Like my finger twitches randomly and hurts... Possibly a half day or a few hours after working out, or even just the next day on a rest day. This might be my other wierd issues, or some connective tissue thing.

Yes, after fasting you are more sensitive to everything including other things like herbs and things like caffeine.

 

[jacknap]

Yes, after fasting you are more sensitive to everything including other things like herbs and things like caffeine.

seems like a lot of people here are fast oxidizers and gbold says that it's not really for us right? does that mean we don't reap the benefits of it because the benefits seem huge or just that it's a lot harder for us?

 

[djohn051]

I recently picked up some R-Andro. Could someone give me advice on a regiment? What dose should I take? How long should I cycle? Any other supplements/diets should be integrating with my cycle?

 

[TubZy]

I recently picked up some R-Andro. Could someone give me advice on a regiment? What dose should I take? How long should I cycle? Any other supplements/diets should be integrating with my cycle?

There really is no "official" protocol for it, but maybe start with 400mg a day for 4-6 weeks.

 

[Chapman]

Roughly how long for people did this take to kick in, I've been on it for about 10 days now and haven't felt anything?

 

[wuf]

I had bad cramp in both my calves while playing football Saturday, confirms the potassium tanking part of Andro. Skin has more moisture the last few days which is a good thing but anxiety up a little

I still don’t get what calves pain means..
Could anyone explain to me please?
Is it a good sign to have?
Thanks

 

[djohn051]

Roughly how long for people did this take to kick in, I've been on it for about 10 days now and haven't felt anything?

Same. I've been on it for 14 days now and no noticeable change in symptoms unfortunately. Some people have said that people actually improve after the cycle. Maybe someone could confirm that?

 

[IHateFin]

Same. I've been on it for 14 days now and no noticeable change in symptoms unfortunately. Some people have said that people actually improve after the cycle. Maybe someone could confirm that?

how much are you taking? you noticing low E sides?

 

[Goose12]

Same. I've been on it for 14 days now and no noticeable change in symptoms unfortunately. Some people have said that people actually improve after the cycle. Maybe someone could confirm that?

Try to hold out the snap back is were it's at. IMO if you have low estrogen to begin with and high dht you won't notice much while on cycle, but you should notice some improvements from the snap back. I notice more improvements from the snap back and herb cycling (PCT), than being on randro.