raven

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Wait there was an actual cure? Or just a really good bandaid?

It was lost_soul who was on a ton of other recreational drugs, and was probably the most unreliable guy we could have had taking the trial, but it seemed to permanently lift a lot of his symptoms if I recall correctly.
 

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I think so man. Today waking up I feel better already. Yesterday was really bad for some reason. Started thinking about everything in my life. Maybe I do need a practitioner to hold my hand HAHA. Anyways I will just start the third cycle and just keep going.

These downswings are really weird. It feels like you come to a climax: all symptoms are really fucking bad and you become aware of it as well. Then slowly that problem becomes less and less. Pretty much exactly what Dr. Wilson describes in healing reactions.

I guess the more experience you get with this program the more you can see when you have a healing reaction. So I am guessing it will be easier the longer I do this.

After you fast when you’re toxic it can really beat you up and take you 24-48 hours to start feeling better afterward.
 

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Just want to let people know who are considering TEI.

Now in the third week off the supps last few days I feel pretty good. Not 100% normal but better than ever before in PFS. So this is good news. I am moving in the right direction absolutely.

I notice I am calm, collected, masculine feeling, sleep very good, enough energy to get through the day excited to go to the gym, etc. Slowly the bad side effects (anxiety, uptight feeling, no attraction to women) is going away.

All very good signs.

But as you can see the downswings can be annoying and they can take a few days where I get really angry and resentful about random things. This is mostly while on the supps but it can last for 2 weeks after stopping the supps for me. So it is kind of up and down. But overall when I am stable I notice I am doing better than before.

If I am pissed off in the next 2 months then I will write a rant on this log probably about random stuff.

I hope the more cycles I do the less downswings I get. We will see. I am starting the third cycle tomorrow and will do it for 2 months again. I bought extra magnesium, calcium and vitamin d to add to the SYMPIA (the original SYMPACK has them). Just for the completeness of the program. Not sure if it is needed since it seems to work without them as well since I am making progress.

I think there is no need to overthink it. If the direction of the program is good you will get improvements.
 
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I am sick ATM. Yesterday my throat started to hurt. Today I am full blown sick (fever, throat, flu-like). Seems like my immune system is doing something again. Only time I got sick before was when I used Ella. Hope that I will recover fast from this and that it is a sign of getting better.
 

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I am sick ATM. Yesterday my throat started to hurt. Today I am full blown sick (fever, throat, flu-like). Seems like my immune system is doing something again. Only time I got sick before was when I used Ella. Hope that I will recover fast from this and that it is a sign of getting better.

same bro
 

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I am sick ATM. Yesterday my throat started to hurt. Today I am full blown sick (fever, throat, flu-like). Seems like my immune system is doing something again. Only time I got sick before was when I used Ella. Hope that I will recover fast from this and that it is a sign of getting better.

Sick can be a very good sign. Esspecially after upswings like you had lately. Drink bunch of veggie juices, bone broths. Get yourself even stronger while you’re sick. Make that system go!
 

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People without PFS get sick dawg
 

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I think as well that estrogen does not work in PFS. My "feelings" didn't come back online until after my first 4 andro cycle.

Can you explain how you cycled R-Andro / 4 Andro ? Together or separate?

Did the recovery of your feeling stick?
 

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I am sick ATM. Yesterday my throat started to hurt. Today I am full blown sick (fever, throat, flu-like). Seems like my immune system is doing something again. Only time I got sick before was when I used Ella. Hope that I will recover fast from this and that it is a sign of getting better.

I see some similarities to my experience. I did TEI for two weeks, had to stop. But now I have what I think is the flu. Itchy throat and dry coughing. But I also feel more calm and confident, and I'm able to connect with people better.
Erection got better for like 2 days. But no where near normal of course.

BTW, did your knees hurt on or after TEI? Because mine do.
 

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I see some similarities to my experience. I did TEI for two weeks, had to stop. But now I have what I think is the flu. Itchy throat and dry coughing. But I also feel more calm and confident, and I'm able to connect with people better.
Erection got better for like 2 days. But no where near normal of course.

BTW, did your knees hurt on or after TEI? Because mine do.
I have had knee/joint pain on tei. Probably pushing iron out.
 

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I see some similarities to my experience. I did TEI for two weeks, had to stop. But now I have what I think is the flu. Itchy throat and dry coughing. But I also feel more calm and confident, and I'm able to connect with people better.
Erection got better for like 2 days. But no where near normal of course.

BTW, did your knees hurt on or after TEI? Because mine do.
Yes same man also had knee pain right before got sick
 
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Since 4 days I am in a depression now. I wake up hopeless about everything. No ability to enjoy things. No sex drive, nothing. Also tired physically. I think my body is healing but it has shut down everything else to heal.

I feel more similar to how I used to feel pre-finasteride and pre-PFS. More depth in my personality instead of a robot. More aware of the bad things in life as well. More aware of insecurities. Pretty annoying stuff but also a good sign.

Kind of similar what I experienced in the flatline of NoFap which took 2 or 3 months. After that I was better.
 

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Hey man, about nofap. Do you use tinder still? Im also on nofap for 17 days now, but i still chat with girls, see some insta pics sometimes.

The biggest benefits i had in the first week, the increased T gave me a little flashback to my pre pfs self.
 

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Hey man, about nofap. Do you use tinder still? Im also on nofap for 17 days now, but i still chat with girls, see some insta pics sometimes.

The biggest benefits i had in the first week, the increased T gave me a little flashback to my pre pfs self.
No Tinder also gives dopamine highs especially if you just started NoFap. It is not a big problem but I like to do hardmode. Look up the dopamine challenge on NoFap reddit.