SIMPLE DETOX PROTOCOL FOR DUMMIES( heavy metals, drugs)

[Helen]

@Legna88 I am always wondering why are you giving advice, if you are super sick yourself. You always say something like this is how it is reading some anecdotes online. If you get cured by what you are saying, then yes you can say that. I am telling you biochemically, Gerson had a very low cure rate. With most people dying. Gerson is not Kelly, nor Revici, Gerson's therapy is about nothing in my book. 35% cure rate at most is close to a placebo.

I understand that you are doing this because you want to pump yourself up and tell yourself that you are doing the right things. But please quit these anecdotes. People ate beef liver and salt on Ray Peat diet. Here we see their hairtests . All of them crashed.

If you are a fast oxidizer , then copper will be appropriate for you . Please stop generalizing or giving advice to other people. First Get well yourself. Good luck

 

[Helen]

@Legna88 Do you understand that livers are very high in copper and iron. Do you understand why livers are high in copper and iron. because animals same as humans accumulate iron and copper in their livers all their life. This is why liver is high in these. Most people die from oxidative stress, when there is an oxidative stress , iron and copper stay in the liver and accumulate. This is why athletes get old and fat when they quit sports. Since they accumulate copper and iron in the liver like crazy. Probably they became athletes since they are toxic in copper. Many people are running junkies just because they have tons of copper in their bodies and when they run they chelate it. I saw it many times. on hairtests. Copper and iron get extremely high in the brain. this brain copper kills serotonin. And this makes you deficient in copper in the rest of the body. This is why people go on SSRIs since they are very toxic in copper in the brain. And folks who take copper in this chemisty feel a little bit better, but make this situation worse and worse eventually becoming very sick with mania and Schizophrenia. This is why Hoffman used niacin as a copper chelator to cure people from these disorders.

Most people are highly copper toxic. Very few are copper deficient.

You can look at hairtests of people on this forum and look at people who got cured. from IBS from CFS from UC from PFS. They chelated the hell out of copper.
And you still go online and read these anecdotes when people show you here what they did and what they tested.

 

[Ben123]

@Legna88 Do you understand that livers are very high in copper and iron. Do you understand why livers are high in copper and iron. because animals same as humans accumulate iron and copper in their livers all their life. This is why liver is high in these. Most people die from oxidative stress, when there is an oxidative stress , iron and copper stay in the liver and accumulate. This is why athletes get old and fat when they quit sports. Since they accumulate copper and iron in the liver like crazy. Probably they became athletes since they are toxic in copper. Many people are running junkies just because they have tons of copper in their bodies and when they run they chelate it. I saw it many times. on hairtests. Copper and iron get extremely high in the brain. this brain copper kills serotonin. And this makes you deficient in copper in the rest of the body. This is why people go on SSRIs since they are very toxic in copper in the brain. And folks who take copper in this chemisty feel a little bit better, but make this situation worse and worse eventually becoming very sick with mania and Schizophrenia. This is why Hoffman used niacin as a copper chelator to cure people from these disorders.

Most people are highly copper toxic. Very few are copper deficient.

You can look at hairtests of people on this forum and look at people who got cured. from IBS from CFS from UC from PFS. They chelated the hell out of copper.
And you still go online and read these anecdotes when people show you here what they did and what they tested.

If hairtesting and heavy supplementation are too expensive atm how would you go on then? You say endurance exercise is good, is walking few times a week enough? What you think of beef that is high in zinc and low in copper as main protein source?

 

[Slayo]

@gbolduev why did/do people on gerson therapy get well by eating large amounts of liver and juicing? gerson did not use hair tests ...

I did read years ago somewhere a guy did three days apples, apple juice, and water, then drank a sixteen ounce bottle of olive oil. He removed thousands of stones. About six months or a year later, did the exact same thing and nothing was purged. Liver cleanses should be spaced at least two weeks apart. The apples have malic acid, some have more than others, which is said to either soften the gallstones or widen the bile duct. No Epsom salts, enemas, or colonics are mentioned in the Bragg version.

Gerson theraphy is especially succesfull for cancer (at the beginning i remeber the rate of success was 50%, now ti is like Gbold has said)my theory about why it may work is that the large amount of oxalates in the juices deplete cancer cells of gluthathione, and cancer cells with low gluthathione are more prone to apoptosis, while the high amount of nutrients detox the body.

I tried it and it completly fucked me, i still have extreme deidrathathion from it, never ever do it if your adrenals and gut are very bad, it will finish them

 

[Yura]

If hairtesting and heavy supplementation are too expensive atm how would you go on then? You say endurance exercise is good, is walking few times a week enough? What you think of beef that is high in zinc and low in copper as main protein source?

In terms of movement. If you already have a lot of oxidative stress. You don't want run or cycling hard etc. to hyperventilate and cause even more oxidative damage. But sitting without any movement with bad posture etc.. is maybe even worse. Walking in the nature is the best + swimming in the ocean and if exercise. Some anaerobic weight training even with body weight, core training for good pusture and some stretching, yoga is really good also. Beef is good source of amino acids, creatine, B vitamins, zinc etc.. BUT it is hard to digest. It needs very good stomach acid. ALso I would use mainly ground beef.. For impaired digestion in sick people I would go with hydrolyzed whey protein as a main protein source. This type of protein basically doesn't require any stomach acid only some enzymes to break it down to single aminos. Which is no problem in hydrolyzed type of whey protein. Then I would go with eggs as a second best choice for easy to digest good quality protein and then white meat like chicken/turkey breast or white fish like cod or sea food..

 

[Legna88]

@Legna88 I am always wondering why are you giving advice, if you are super sick yourself. You always say something like this is how it is reading some anecdotes online. If you get cured by what you are saying, then yes you can say that. I am telling you biochemically, Gerson had a very low cure rate. With most people dying. Gerson is not Kelly, nor Revici, Gerson's therapy is about nothing in my book. 35% cure rate at most is close to a placebo.

I understand that you are doing this because you want to pump yourself up and tell yourself that you are doing the right things. But please quit these anecdotes. People ate beef liver and salt on Ray Peat diet. Here we see their hairtests . All of them crashed.

If you are a fast oxidizer , then copper will be appropriate for you . Please stop generalizing or giving advice to other people. First Get well yourself. Good luck

i am much better since eating: raw salmon, raw cod, raw beef liver, taking nigella sativa seeds, ginger powder, turmeric powder, kelp powder, blckstrap molasses(full of calcium, magnesium, potassium, copper, iron), yeast extract(full of B-complex)i also increased my calcium through milk kefir and eggshells(my diet was very low in calcium, and calcium got 10.000 functions in the body, and sports people BURN UP SHIT LOADS OF CALCIUM, the RDA is 1000mg/day, athletes needs IMO a least 2000mg/day), i also drink at least 2 liters of distilled water with 1/2 tsp. salt per each liter of water, every day constantly...

i also do castor oil packs with hot water bottles on liver during sleep, this helped A LOT, before i put the castor oil on my abdominal area,i also put pine needle oil(turpentine), i also take milk thistle... my focus now is 100% on liver... i believe if the liver is healed, everything else will heal automatically...

and since i did the sea salt top loading(eating 300g salt in 24 hours).. it looks like i am digesting/assimilating/utilizing the foods I eat much much better

i also did a 3 day vegetable cleanse, i ate only apples, beets, carrots and their juices with salt mixed in the juices ( i think veggie/fruit juices causes dehydration without salt, they contain shit loads of potassium and close to zero sodium, i felt very cold if salt was not added to juices)

i also do 36- 48 hour hard dry fasts periodically

my latest hair test from october indicated i am fast metabolsim type 1(although my june HTMA indicated i was slow)... this was their recs(i did not follow anything they recomended, i eat liver because i feel attracted to it, and i feel better from it)[i dont know if this is ARL or TEI]:

''GENERAL DIETARY GUIDELINES FOR THE FAST METABOLIZER
* INCREASE INTAKE OF HIGH PURINE PROTEIN FOODS...high purine protein sources include liver, kidney and heart. Other good sources include sardines, tuna, clams, crab, lobster and oysters. Unless notified otherwise, high purine and moderate purine protein intake should constitute approximately 33% of total daily caloric intake.
* INCREASE INTAKE OF MILK AND MILK PRODUCTS...such as cheese, yogurt, cream, butter
(unsalted). Increase intake of nuts and seeds such as almonds, walnuts, peanuts, peanut butter and sunflower seeds. Foods high in fat unless notified otherwise should constitute approximately 33% of total daily caloric intake.
* REDUCE CARBOHYDRATE INTAKE...including unrefined carbohydrates. Sources such as cereals, whole grains and whole grain products are contraindicated for frequent consumption until the next evaluation. Carbohydrate intake in the form of unrefined carbohydrates should be approximately 33% of total daily caloric intake.
* AVOID ALL SUGARS AND REFINED CARBOHYDRATES...this includes white and brown sugar, honey, candy, soda pop, cake, pastries, alcohol and white bread

FOODS THAT STIMULATE HISTAMINES
Consumption of the following foods can stimulate histamine release in certain metabolic types and may contribute to respiratory-type allergy reactions. These foods are to be avoided until the next evaluation or until notified otherwise by attending doctor.
Beet Greens, Rhubarb, Apples, Chocolate, Spinach, Black Tea, Aubergine, Strawberries, Sweet, Potatoes, Peanuts, Blueberries, Green Beans, Pecans, Chard, Wheat Germ, Beet Root, Cocoa, Parsley, Blackberries

HIGH COPPER FOODS TO INCREASE IN THE DIET
The following foods are good sources of dietary copper. If desired, these foods may be increased in the diet until the next evaluation.
Cod, Lobster, Brazil Nuts, Mushrooms, Pecans, Crab, Hazelnuts, Almonds, Pistachio Nuts, Sesame Seeds, Sunflower Seeds, Walnuts, Duck, Liver, Spring Onions

AMINO ACIDS THAT IMPROVE CALCIUM ABSORPTION
Calcium absorption is greatly enhanced when the diet is high in the amino acids, lysine, arginine and histadine. These proteins also help to reduce acidity of the tissues. Both effects are favorable for the fast metabolizer, therefore addition of any of the following foods to the diet is recommended at this time:

Cod, Salami, Sausage (lean), Ham, Roast Beef, Lamb, Skim Milk, Heart, Beef Stew, Vegetable Stew, Cottage Cheese, Canadian bacon, Spare Ribs, Peanuts, Lentils

SPECIAL NOTE:
This report contains only a limited number of foods to avoid or to increase in the diet. FOR THOSE FOODS NOT SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED IN THIS SECTION, CONTINUED CONSUMPTION ON A MODERATE BASIS IS ACCEPTABLE UNLESS RECOMMENDED OTHERWISE BY YOUR DOCTOR. Under some circumstances, dietary recommendations may list the same food item in the "TO EAT" and the "TO AVOID" categories at the same time. In these rare cases, always follow the avoid recommendation.

THE FOLLOWING RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN ONLY WITH MEALS IN ORDER TO INCREASE ABSORPTION AND TO AVOID STOMACH DISCOMFORT. RECOMMENDATION:

SYM-PACK (Metabolic Support) 1 1 1
CALCIUM PLUS 1 0 1
MAGNESIUM PLUS 1 0 1
COPPER PLUS 1 1 2
DIGEST V-ZYME (Digestive Support) 2 2 2
VITAMIN E PLUS 1 0 1

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS MAY NOT INCLUDE MINERALS WHICH APPEAR BELOW NORMAL OR IN TURN MAY RECOMMEND MINERALS WHICH APPEAR ABOVE NORMAL ON THE HTMA GRAPH. THIS IS NOT AN OVERSIGHT. SPECIFIC MINERALS WILL INTERACT WITH OTHER MINERALS TO RAISE OR LOWER TISSUE MINERAL LEVELS, AND THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO BALANCE THE PATIENT'S MINERAL LEVELS THROUGH THESE INTERACTIONS.

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN OVER A PROLONGED PERIOD OF TIME WITHOUT OBTAINING A RE-EVALUATION. THIS IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MONITOR PROGRESS AND MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES IN THE NUTRITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS AS REQUIRED.''

what do u think about these recs?

btw..i am planning to do another hair test

 

[Legna88]

Gerson theraphy is especially succesfull for cancer (at the beginning i remeber the rate of success was 50%, now ti is like Gbold has said)my theory about why it may work is that the large amount of oxalates in the juices deplete cancer cells of gluthathione, and cancer cells with low gluthathione are more prone to apoptosis, while the high amount of nutrients detox the body.

I tried it and it completly fucked me, i still have extreme deidrathathion from it, never ever do it if your adrenals and gut are very bad, it will finish them

try to add sea salt to juices(about 1/4- 1/2 tsp per 1 liter of juice), juices contain lots of potassium and close to zero sodium... when i did juice fast i felt very cold and dehydrated, skin was dry, but it got better when i added sea salt....but this is just MY OPINION....

 

[Slayo]

try to add sea salt to juices(about 1/4- 1/2 tsp per 1 liter of juice), juices contain lots of potassium and close to zero sodium... when i did juice fast i felt very cold and dehydrated, skin was dry, but it got better when i added sea salt....but this is just MY OPINION....

I quit it more than one year ago, no way i will do it again, the huge amount of oxalate will make someone with gut issues much worse, and so much coffee enemas will kill the adrenals

 

[Yura]

@Legna88 wow 300g of sea salt in one day? Can you give me more info about this? I have done Shankhaprakshalana cleanse which is basically drinking shit load of water with salt. So you end up drinking and shitting the water at the same time lol. You didn't had diarrhea from so much salt? Btw can you see eggshell powder in your stool? I stopped since I think I can't digest them..

 

[Legna88]

@Legna88 wow 300g of sea salt in one day? Can you give me more info about this? I have done Shankhaprakshalana cleanse which is basically drinking shit load of water with salt. So you end up drinking and shitting the water at the same time lol. You didn't had diarrhea from so much salt? Btw can you see eggshell powder in your stool? I stopped since I think I can't digest them..

i dissolved 35g of sea salt in 1 liter distilled water and drank about 8 liters of those(i ate/drink nothing else), in the 24th hour i drank 2 cups of raw milk kefir to replenish probiotics, i had like 30- 40 bowel movements in 24 hours

i grind the eggshells into a fine powder.. i will mix it with apple cider vinegar or fresh lemon juice to make calcium-acetate/citrate

 

[bruschi11]

@gbolduev
@Legna88

My thing for Gerson isn’t the actual therapy being great altogether, it’s more so the ideas what we can take from him.

The guy was successful. Maybe only to a degree. So we take coffee enemas raising glutathione and see that as +1 add it to the ideal regimen of how to heal a human.

If someone asked me if they should go on actual Gerson Therapy, I’d tell them not exactly but you can use his ideas to your advantage. If you are home bound, not working, and not living a good life at all due to illness- if you’re not doing at least a coffee enema daily if not 2-4 then you’re not giving your Body it’s best possible ability to heal itself.

Agreed?

 

[Yura]

i dissolved 35g of sea salt in 1 liter distilled water and drank about 8 liters of those(i ate/drink nothing else), in the 24th hour i drank 2 cups of raw milk kefir to replenish probiotics, i had like 30- 40 bowel movements in 24 hours

i grind the eggshells into a fine powder.. i will mix it with apple cider vinegar or fresh lemon juice to make calcium-acetate/citrate

Yes I have fine powder from coffee grinder. How long it takes to dissolve the powder in lemon juice and is there still vitamin C from the lemon?

 

[Legna88]

Yes I have fine powder from coffee grinder. How long it takes to dissolve the powder in lemon juice and is there still vitamin C from the lemon?

i will mix 570ml(1 pint) ACV or lemon juice with the powder from 12 eggshells... i think you can ingest it next day... i will begin with 1/4 tsp three times per day, each week adding aother 1/4 tsp., maximum dose will be 1 tblsp. three times per day... dr. barefoot's book on calcium is interesting(its cheap on amazon)... make sure you get at least 1 hour daylight/sunlight EVERY DAY on as much skin as possible, dont wash ur skin 30 minutes after being in daylight/sunlight.

 

[Legna88]

@gbolduev
@Legna88

My thing for Gerson isn’t the actual therapy being great altogether, it’s more so the ideas what we can take from him.

The guy was successful. Maybe only to a degree. So we take coffee enemas raising glutathione and see that as +1 add it to the ideal regimen of how to heal a human.

If someone asked me if they should go on actual Gerson Therapy, I’d tell them not exactly but you can use his ideas to your advantage. If you are home bound, not working, and not living a good life at all due to illness- if you’re not doing at least a coffee enema daily if not 2-4 then you’re not giving your Body it’s best possible ability to heal itself.

Agreed?

how do u do coffee enemas, how much liquid etc?

 

[Yura]

i will mix 570ml(1 pint) ACV or lemon juice with the powder from 12 eggshells... i think you can ingest it next day... i will begin with 1/4 tsp three times per day, each week adding aother 1/4 tsp., maximum dose will be 1 tblsp. three times per day... dr. barefoot's book on calcium is interesting(its cheap on amazon)... make sure you get at least 1 hour daylight/sunlight EVERY DAY on as much skin as possible, dont wash ur skin 30 minutes after being in daylight/sunlight.

Wow that is a lot of lemons.. Vinegar is cheap. But I am not sure if it's good idea. I have high histamine symptoms from vinegar..

 

[bruschi11]

how do u do coffee enemas, how much liquid etc?

12 oz, keurig k cups. Empty ones that I put Columbia’s dark coffee organic. I’ll then put in freezer to get it down to a lower degree- not room temp that takes too long in freezer.
Or you could use spring water ice cubes in the coffee.

You do an enema with it. Hold it 10 to 30 mins then get rid of. I’ll put wormwood herbal in it sometimes. I also lay under my infrared red lamp in and shine it on my gut area during it.

 

[Helen]

@Legna88 If you are a fast oxidizer, you need copper and calcium. what does it have to do with other people. Please move this stuff to your log.

You should understand, you eat animal liver. Liver is very high in iron and copper. the question for you , if the liver is very high in copper and iron, means the animal retained copper and iron like crazy thru their life. Same as humans.

If you look at biopsies on average all human livers are very high iron and copper. Same as brain.

You can go online and also read Christine ( Dog person ) she also biopsied tons of dogs, same thing. All high in copper in iron. It makes sense since iron and copper will be used only in fast metabolism. And fast metabolism will be only if you have antioxidant system working, since if you have no antioxidation. then your body immediately lowers thyroid And that is it. if you are inflamed your thyroid goes down. And you retain copper and iron in the liver

this is why you eat beef liver. or other livers which are very high in iron and copper. Since animals are the same. If they were deficient in copper, their livers would have been low in copper , not high.

Fast oxidizers are usually toxic in some metals. which impair conversion of cysteine. And this causes them to use copper more.

that is why they are given copper, But most of them are not true fast oxidizers. It is just a catabolic state mostly.

 

[Yura]

@gbolduev did you see people who solved their low thyroid(high TSH, low T4/T3) by mineral balancing?

 

[brix]

@Legna88 If you are a fast oxidizer, you need copper and calcium. what does it have to do with other people. Please move this stuff to your log.

You should understand, you eat animal liver. Liver is very high in iron and copper. the question for you , if the liver is very high in copper and iron, means the animal retained copper and iron like crazy thru their life. Same as humans.

If you look at biopsies on average all human livers are very high iron and copper. Same as brain.

You can go online and also read Christine ( Dog person ) she also biopsied tons of dogs, same thing. All high in copper in iron. It makes sense since iron and copper will be used only in fast metabolism. And fast metabolism will be only if you have antioxidant system working, since if you have no antioxidation. then your body immediately lowers thyroid And that is it. if you are inflamed your thyroid goes down. And you retain copper and iron in the liver

this is why you eat beef liver. or other livers which are very high in iron and copper. Since animals are the same. If they were deficient in copper, their livers would have been low in copper , not high.

Fast oxidizers are usually toxic in some metals. which impair conversion of cysteine. And this causes them to use copper more.

that is why they are given copper, But most of them are not true fast oxidizers. It is just a catabolic state mostly.

What do you think is going on in the body with fast oxidation and low thyroid? Where does the imbalance lie?

 

[Legna88]

@Legna88 If you are a fast oxidizer, you need copper and calcium. what does it have to do with other people. Please move this stuff to your log.

You should understand, you eat animal liver. Liver is very high in iron and copper. the question for you , if the liver is very high in copper and iron, means the animal retained copper and iron like crazy thru their life. Same as humans.

If you look at biopsies on average all human livers are very high iron and copper. Same as brain.

You can go online and also read Christine ( Dog person ) she also biopsied tons of dogs, same thing. All high in copper in iron. It makes sense since iron and copper will be used only in fast metabolism. And fast metabolism will be only if you have antioxidant system working, since if you have no antioxidation. then your body immediately lowers thyroid And that is it. if you are inflamed your thyroid goes down. And you retain copper and iron in the liver

this is why you eat beef liver. or other livers which are very high in iron and copper. Since animals are the same. If they were deficient in copper, their livers would have been low in copper , not high.

Fast oxidizers are usually toxic in some metals. which impair conversion of cysteine. And this causes them to use copper more.

that is why they are given copper, But most of them are not true fast oxidizers. It is just a catabolic state mostly.

@gbolduev finding lots of copper and iron in the liver after death could mean that the copper and iron are, by default, deposited in the liver after death. Meaning that MAYBE it is a normal thing for the body to deposit/drop off iron/copper in the liver after death occurs. Could this be possible?

The only way to test this theory is to test an animal's liver LIVE for copper/iron levels (which is not possible at the moment for the general slaves, i mean public), next, kill the animal, and re-test immediately the liver's copper/iron levels.