SIMPLE DETOX PROTOCOL FOR DUMMIES( heavy metals, drugs)

[Legna88]

Simple lactic acidosis. Most people get RDAs of minerals and vitamins. Body can absorb all the needed nutrients within a week.

This is why deficiencies are impossible unless you are poor kid in africa and dont eat anything or you eat some weird diet and dont listen to your body

Body keeps the minerals and vitamins in the liver. IF you run low on some vitamin , body takes and increases absorption from food. Same with a mineral. If you are deficient in sodium , body just increases aldo and absorps more sodium and then drops aldo within a week.

It does the same with salt , potassium anything. Even if you are vegan and dont eat salt you will digest enough sodium in a week and the body will keep its level normal.

Now, if you are toxic in stuff especially in the brain. Then that is where the problems start.. This is when body starts making required "mistakes."

Also kelp spirulina chlorela etc. They dont chelate iron copper/ those are extremely high in iron and copper. Iron level in spirulina an kelp higher than red meat. Also all of them have toxic metals in it. Usually glutathione cleans you out from mercuries leads arsenics. But when it is down. It cant filter shilagits, it cant filter spirulinas. And people get older
This is why if you compare a person who is just fasting and swimming in the ocean for 60 days let say. and the person who takes spirulina / Spirulina person will look like total shit. and fasting person will have the best skin the best hair , the best everything. Since the skin can take up only what it needs. But digestive track is all screwed up and takes up everything/

This is why if you only use shilagit or spirulina or kelp alone , you will go grey. That is why most people who eat shilagit in India and smoke at the same time are grey. And all these black strap molasses spirulinas cholerelas dont work for grey hair. They create more grey hair.

You cant clean liver with minerals )) it is overloaded with most minerals. Especially iron and copper. And green algae are extremely high in iron.

Fast oxidizer do ok on all this stuff. But just stop generalizing. ARL NEVER GIVES IRON

Fast oxidizer have higher metabolism and does well on this stuff. Since they use up minerals in the liver. Usually sports people are fast oxidizers. BUT MOST PEOPLE ARE SLOW OXIDIZERS

Also fast oxidizer that I see on hairtests are usually fake fast oxidizers. Toxic in some heavy metals which just impair cysteine conversion into sulphate. This basically looks like a fast oxidation on the hairtest but the body increase reverse t3 and turns off the thyroid and there is lactic acidosis going. Person thinks they are high oxidation and takes copper, and it backfires.

''Even if you are vegan and dont eat salt you will digest enough sodium in a week and the body will keep its level normal.''

not true... vegans (or people who dont eat salt) who dont eat salt drink gallons of celery juice and still have sodium deficiency... i watched countless videos and read countless stories about non-athlete and athlete vegans who gave up salt and got in life threatening trouble... all food is naturally high in potassium and virtually free of sodium... this is why one needs to add salt to food to balance the ratio.. salt also aids in digestion of glucose and detoxes the body because of the chloride.. i read studies where they claim one needs 15g of salt per day and 2 liters of water to produce enough HCL and BILE to digest your food...

most people definitively dont get DAILY enough vitamins minerals in their food(the soil is low in minerals)... especially calcium, iron, copper, manganese, magnesium, iodine, B-complex...

since I eat yeast and blackstrap molasses my beard and the few white hairs are turning back to their original color and i feel better... many 1000s of people report the same thing regarding hair color and feeling better... can be coincidence?

who claimed to clean the liver with minerals? juice fasting with herbs will cleanse and regenerate the liver and a healthy liver WILL balance/detox everything out... it worked (and still woks) for 1000s of years without ''tests''.... the liver needs sodium to be able to detox the body

you said sea food is not full of metals and it is a scam/propaganda to scare people from eating nutritious sea food... now they are full of heavy metals??? can you decide please which claim is true ? is sea food safe or not??

who eats 100g of kelp or spirulina chlorella etc. per day? maybe 1- 10g per day..

i did not do ANY physical exercise since august 2017... why/how did I get from slow oxidizer in august 2017 to fast oxidizer in october 2017

how can I be fast oxidizer if I dont exercise AT ALL since august 2017?

 

[Helen]

@Legna88 LOL. You dont have to exercise to be a fast oxidizer. Are you ok? I said majority of athletes are fast oxidizers.

if you are fast oxidizer you will do good on copper and iron. I am telling you this for the 20th time. this has nothing to do with other people, and they will go grey on black strap mollases and shilagit/ Unless their support amino acids in very high dosages

One more time for you , salt is digested just fine from any food. Your body chemistry needs salt, since you have no adrenaline. since your are a fast oxidizer. This is why you are speeding up with all this stuff.

It is like talking to a wall. No body needs a lot of salt. people all eat salt. No one is lacking sodium in the diet. Minerals may be some people are lacking certains ones., but it is not copper nor iron. Liver are full of it. I have seen many biopsies / Liver is not low on minerals )))) you eat beef liver , it is full of them. It is certain minerals that could be missing, and thus it causes other minerals to build up. This is why it is important to test what you are missing. Or just get minerals thru skin like swimming in the ocean.



Sea food is safe. spirulinas and kelp could be a problem for certain body chemistries.

You are taking right things for your body chemistry, this is good if you feel better. Keep doing it. But generalization does not work.

Give beef liver to Raincoast and Herrfish , or black strap molasses, they would probably die. Our forum is created so people can understand how to fix themselves not some generalized guidlines. Like iron is good for peopel or copper is good for people. WE left this kind of stuff over at Ray Peats.
I said fast oxidziers do good on Ray Peat diet. full of calcium copper and salt. This is what ray peat asked people to eat, do you understand this?

All slow oxidizers crashed on this kind of eating, they all eat beef liver on ray peat, they all eat tons of salt and other electrolytes, and calcium also. This is Ray PEAT diet. Now go and look at their hairtests what happened. They all got toxic in copper and got Ulcerative Colitis and Diabetes.
It is right here on this forum. And you keep reading these stupid anecdotes. This community on this forum came from Ray Peat. they all ate beef liver, salt , electrolytes and calcium. YOu need to understand this.

And I will assure you that vegans dont go down on electrolytes at all. they go down on protein. Which then creates a problem of making hormones. and systemic proteins. That is the problem.

Eating sea food, gives you tons of salt. No need to supplement any salt. Unless you a crazy ass athlete who sweats for 4-5 hours daily.

But you need to understand that salt speeds up the metabolism and if you have low antioxidants or low hydrogen, then salt will be kept low and the body will chose not to absorb it. Since salt will increase ventilation. Sodium lowers CO2. Salt increases adrenaline sensitivity. And for people with high thyroid and metabolism , salt and copper do work. but peopel who dont make any Co2. Salt kept low. and will cause CANCER. this is why Gerson was against salt for those people.

For you and your fast metabolism salt is good, since your body creates Co2. and salt helps to get rid of it. Adrenaline usually does that, but you have a problem with methylation, same as Yura. And you will always need salt to save you . To substitute low adrenaline levels. As i told you to create adrenaline, ATHLETES NEED B12 injections. otherwise they will always feel dehydrated even with very very high levels of salt in the cell
Since salt= adrenaline sensitivity, and if you are making less adrenline because you lack methylation then Salt will go sky high in the cell.

 

[Legna88]

@Legna88 LOL. You dont have to exercise to be a fast oxidizer. Are you ok? I said majority of athletes are fast oxidizers.

if you are fast oxidizer you will do good on copper and iron. I am telling you this for the 20th time. this has nothing to do with other people, and they will go grey on black strap mollases and shilagit/ Unless their support amino acids in very high dosages

One more time for you , salt is digested just fine from any food. Your body chemistry needs salt, since you have no adrenaline. since your are a fast oxidizer. This is why you are speeding up with all this stuff.

It is like talking to a wall. No body needs a lot of salt. people all eat salt. No one is lacking sodium in the diet. Minerals may be some people are lacking certains ones., but it is not copper nor iron. Liver are full of it. I have seen many biopsies / Liver is not low on minerals )))) you eat beef liver , it is full of them. It is certain minerals that could be missing, and thus it causes other minerals to build up. This is why it is important to test what you are missing. Or just get minerals thru skin like swimming in the ocean.



Sea food is safe. spirulinas and kelp could be a problem for certain body chemistries.

You are taking right things for your body chemistry, this is good if you feel better. Keep doing it. But generalization does not work.

Give beef liver to Raincoast and Herrfish , or black strap molasses, they would probably die. Our forum is created so people can understand how to fix themselves not some generalized guidlines. Like iron is good for peopel or copper is good for people. WE left this kind of stuff over at Ray Peats.
I said fast oxidziers do good on Ray Peat diet. full of calcium copper and salt. This is what ray peat asked people to eat, do you understand this?

All slow oxidizers crashed on this kind of eating, they all eat beef liver on ray peat, they all eat tons of salt and other electrolytes, and calcium also. This is Ray PEAT diet. Now go and look at their hairtests what happened. They all got toxic in copper and got Ulcerative Colitis and Diabetes.
It is right here on this forum. And you keep reading these stupid anecdotes. This community on this forum came from Ray Peat. they all ate beef liver, salt , electrolytes and calcium. YOu need to understand this.

@gbolduev come on man.. they would die from FOOD sources of nutrients(iron, copper)??? im sure they would die if they would take these as a supplement/pill... but whole balanced food would kill them???? really???

for e.g. if the diet of anybody does not contain at least the RDA 1000mg calcium, they would get imbalanced... calcium got 10.000 of function int he body... what happens when one does not get it for days, months, years???? losses from bones... teeth become transparent and decay/rot, become infected etc...

people are told to not eat milk, cheese... Please read Dr. Robert McCarrison's work, he lived with the Hunza for 7 years in the late 1800s early 1900s... you cant compare todays hunza people with those in the late 1800s.. so dont bring post 1900s hunzas... the hunza generation before the 1900s lived up to 150 years in perfect health

he gave the diet of hunza for two groups of rats, one group was kept in good condition(continuous fresh air, habitat cleaned daily, clean water etc.) the other group was left in bad condition... both groups were extremely healthy and energetic and large... he proved that it was not the environment for their health and longevity but their diet...

he did another experiment with rats in both bad and good environmental conditions, he gave the rats the standard western diet(white flour products, sugar, jams, cookies, biscuits, teas, canned vegetables, lots of meat etc.) the rats were mentally/physically wrecked, with all the modern world diseases.

I am talking with a 74 year old scientist/researcher from Oxford, his subject is tissue regeneration. He had lots of health issues and with the hunza diet he recovered to 100% health. He does not advocate supplement. He attends seminars not allowed to the public.

He discovered that the health issues today are cause by lack of copper, manganese and magnesium in the soil, thus in the food supply AND iron overload(the rust added to food).

He talked with Tony Blair(UKs minister at the time) about this but tony was interested only in investing in big biotech. When he brought up the issue of copper/manganese/magnesium deficiency world wide and iron overload he was fired with the University, he lost his well payed job. He is still allowed to operate in the University and attend seminars only available to the elite but he is not payed anymore. He lost his family as well.

I cans send you my lengthy conversation with him. You would like his style. Other scientists he knows from asia got in trouble as well for bringing this up.

He says B12 deficiency is really copper deficiency. He says that because when we refine our grains we lose all the manganese, copper, B-complex and magnesium and this causes degeneration/disease. He eats the hunza diet: whole grain cereals/grains, raw milk/butter/cheese, legumes/beans, cooked and raw veggies, raw fruits, nuts, seed, and meat only once a week. He got high level connections at the elite levels so he knows his shit. He says supplements will fuck people up.

The work of McCarrison is very interesting.

i did not claim that only sports people are fast oxidizers.. i just wondered why i changed from slow to fast in a few months

 

[Helen]

@Legna88

I am finished with you. Go look at Hairtests of Herrfish and raincoast and see how they are deficient in copper. Then take the beef liver and go to the lab and test it. And see how it is deficient in copper. I am wasting my time explaining stuff to you.

These people ate beef liver on Ray Peat diet and all crashed. People have functional copper deficiency , when they are extremely toxic in copper in the brain and liver.

Fast oxidizer is deficient in copper magnesium and manganese, this is what nutritional balancing give those people. If you try to give to slow oxidizer. It will cause what you see on hairtest of Herrfish and Raincoast

b12 deficiency is really a copper deficiency, LOL no shit , in fast oxidizer b12 is spent since thyroid is too fast and copper slows down the thyroid. It is a b12 deficiency and if you train, you cant substitute it with copper, unless you want to kill your metabolism.

Seminars not allowed to public. LOL Sounds like he is copper toxic big time.

I have a guy who read this kind of stuff online 3 months ago. He started on Morley Robbins , magnesium copper manganese thing. He was in slow oxidation. I told him not to do it. I can show you his picture. Do you want to see how moon face looks?

 

[sanka]

Looking what you people write i look like a fast oxidizer? In the description TE said that im a slow oxidizer

 

[HerrFisch]

Looking what you people write i look like a fast oxidizer? In the description TE said that im a slow oxidizer

No you are 101% slow

 

[Nina]

@Legna88

I am finished with you. Go look at Hairtests of Herrfish and raincoast and see how they are deficient in copper. Then take the beef liver and go to the lab and test it. And see how it is deficient in copper. I am wasting my time explaining stuff to you.

These people ate beef liver on Ray Peat diet and all crashed. People have functional copper deficiency , when they are extremely toxic in copper in the brain and liver.

Fast oxidizer is deficient in copper magnesium and manganese, this is what nutritional balancing give those people. If you try to give to slow oxidizer. It will cause what you see on hairtest of Herrfish and Raincoast

b12 deficiency is really a copper deficiency, LOL no shit , in fast oxidizer b12 is spent since thyroid is too fast and copper slows down the thyroid. It is a b12 deficiency and if you train, you cant substitute it with copper, unless you want to kill your metabolism.

Seminars not allowed to public. LOL Sounds like he is copper toxic big time.

I have a guy who read this kind of stuff online 3 months ago. He started on Morley Robbins , magnesium copper manganese thing. He was in slow oxidation. I told him not to do it. I can show you his picture. Do you want to see how moon face looks?

They give manganese to slow oxidizer too. And you recommend magnesium “slow oxidizers do better on zinc, magnesium, methylation” is what you said. I see why the copper is bad but why magnesium/manganese?

 

[Helen]

They give manganese to slow oxidizer too. And you recommend magnesium “slow oxidizers do better on zinc, magnesium, methylation” is what you said. I see why the copper is bad but why magnesium/manganese?

if zinc is given then you can give manganese if you just give manganese it will kill 3 beta hsd. ARL even gives copper to slow oxidizers but in a certain manner. IMO this slows down their programs a lot. TE never give copper to slow oxidizers. ARL is taking a safer route.

There are tons of different slow oxidizers with low ratio with high ratio. They all need different things. I usually rec manganese and zinc for slow oxidizer. And copper and magnesium for the fast oxidizer. This is not generalization. In general, slow oxidizers need to chelate copper, fast oxidizers need copper.

Slow oxidizers are deficient in bioavailable copper, their ceruloplasmin is low. If you feed them copper, ceruloplasmin will go even LOWER. Low ceruloplasmin shows the body does not need copper at this time. Ceruloplasmin goes up with the thyroid hormone, since copper is used to slow down the thyroid .

this is why in slow oxidation ceruloplasmin will be low, and body will not need much copper or iron, and these metals will build up in the liver, if person overeats.

 

[Nina]

if zinc is given then you can give manganese if you just give manganese it will kill 3 beta hsd. ARL even gives copper to slow oxidizers but in a certain manner. IMO this slows down their programs a lot. TE never give copper to slow oxidizers. ARL is taking a safer route.

Ok what happened to the guy you were talking about taking manganese copper magnesium?

 

[Helen]

in slow oxidation he took copper, he gained 40 kg in a month. And from 25 year old kid started to look 45. Same thing people experience when they take testosterone.

 

[Nina]

in slow oxidation he took copper, he gained 40 kg in a month. And from 25 year old kid started to look 45. Same thing people experience when they take testosterone.

Lol 40kg in a month i dont believe that.

 

[gar0u87]

Hello. First post in the forum. I am trying to get ride of calficication on the scalp and general feeling of anxiety what dr. wilson calls the calcified brain pattern. I dont have infrared sauna or lights ready but i will soon, neither i have hydrogen water machine which i think its a general good addition. I do have pepsin, betaine hcl , chondroitin and glucosamine as well as sodium thiosuplhate, a rebounder, a chi machine and good quality spring water (one you mentioned) and RO water and many other supplements for chelation that i've bought following your posts, i need to get my hands on apple pectine if you deem it is still necessary, and ghk copper peptide, any other thing you've mentioned so far i got it . Except for the most exprimental treatments like low dose naltrexone (necessary?). Is it a good idea to start on the detox protocol along with the macros you mention right off the bat? I have a 3 years old hair tissue analysis. I can post it here, i know i need to get a new one to confirm the tendencys. I dont have a 23andme test so i dont know how i would respond to things like aspirine or what my methilation status is right now, as per my type of ocd i think im high stamine and low methylation is safe to assume.

My diet will consist of a tubber (tiger nuts), rice and waxy potatos as carb sources. Orange and apple juice when i feel like. Quail and organic chicken eggs, cocoa butter, highly purified coconout oil to add occasionaly here and there, good quality EVOO, a bit more often than coconut oil. Brazil nuts for the selenium. I will rely on demeter buttermilk for saturated fats and goat milk (1/2 aprox. liters a day) as well as parmesano reggiano ( histamine content could be a problem? a pro?) For muscle meats i will use organic beef from my ranch, lamb and baby squid, i put special emphasis on squid. Colostrum replacement will be used as first thing in the morning upon waking up, and l gluthatione post meals. Coffee comsuption will follow training days. Beef liver capsules, along with panthetine(?) on meals to shut in nutrition into the adrenals.Spinach, okra, pancreas caps and broccoli sprouts spread on my main meals, as well as chorella tabs and aloe vera powder. Salt used is the one dr. wilson recommend as needed, no planification or target dose. Do you consider 16 egg whites essential to improve nirogen balance without an allergy analysis? Should i add bananas or green bananas for IDO route? I dont think i react bad to neither ofthem, but ive never went beyond 4-5 eggs a day / 1 banana here and there. Anything that seems overstated in my nutrition or imbalanced like beef liver caps?. I've yet to consider purple corn tortillas, and buckwheat masa harina for bread and homemade pizzas, i think this will round up my carb choices. Foods consumed will be around 25-30 as anything less i consider eating like you would in an hospital and not good for your psycology. Sauces will be used in most meals for this purpose.

Fybritolityc enzimes, and wobenzyme supplement will be used and timed accordingly between meals. TMG intra meal, 2 grams as wilson recommends. I havent looked into the acid/basic posts yet and tried the tri salts. Nutrition used will be everything outlined and improve or substract in the following months. This is just a small sample.

Edit: Thing to note is that about my hairloss, there is miniaturization on the crown ( this makes me mad im not gonna lie) but hair is still there, no recession on the sides, a little bit on the front, this has been happening since i took xeplion 3 years ago, and all my neurotransmisser came up plummeted in a bioresonance analysis except nor-epirophrine (i think? ill have to look into it), i noticed it barely 1 and a half years ago when someone commented on it, while i was taking an antipsychotic and mirtazapine for 2 months for my ocd, i was shedding bad in that winter, following stress from cold and mold exposure (there could be a connection here), ever since ive stopped taking any medication, because the antipsycotic gave me very bad skin rashes and a worrying heart arrythmia, that have me thinking i could die if i continued. I would only consider stablon and experimental peptides for my OCD, maybe low dose amphetamine, which is very hard to come by in Spain . My hair is generaly very thick with good genetics on my family so i dont think its an hormonal problem at heart, more stress and follicle support related. This is my main focus as well as improving my hormonal status for stress resiliance and general outlook on life, and circular thinking.

Sorry for the big wall of text but i didnt see a good time to post any of this. Maybe some of you with similar issues could help. Thanks and lets improve together.

 

[sanka]

@gbolduev im a slow oxidizer, low in copper and trace elements gave me as supplement copper. What should i do? I have been taking this for like a month right now

 

[Yura]

@gar0u87 Heh how you know that all this crazy shit will work for your biochemistry? Just because it is organic etc. or it sounds good or healthy doesn't mean that it will balance your biochemistry.. It looks like you don't have a problem with the money. So why not just do hair test and maybe some blood work and follow some protocol based on your needs? If you do all this random "healthy" stuff you have no idea what is going on in your body. Like beef liver, buckwheat full of copper can be good for person A but bad for person B etc..

 

[Helen]

Lol 40kg in a month i dont believe that.

I can show you pictures, He is still like that. I was amazed myself, I could not recognize the guy.

 

[Yura]

pls post the pic..

 

[Helen]

pls post the pic..

I will contact him and ask for before and after )) Doctors put him on thyroid meds. Since he just crashed his thyroid with copper and basically retained water.

Same stuff they give to cattle , like cows bulls, pigs, they give them estrogen to get big.

Also I had another guy who tried the copper route after reading the COPPER deficiency and IRON poisoning of the mankind stuff The Message of His Kingdom , I am sure you read that stuff about blood types and stuff.
So he was in slow oxidation also, and took copper, same thing happened. biggest crash ever, took him a year to get back to normal and he was a very smart guy .

All these people are right that body is deficient in bioavailable copper. Bioavailable means ceruloplasmin copper. Ceruloplasmin goes up only in fast oxidation. Feeding copper in slow oxidation simply will lower ceruloplasmin even more. You can test it yourself if you have low ceruloplasmin.

So it is not copper the body is deficient in, it is deficient in metalothionein and glutathione and recycling, and it does not raise the metabolism and thus copper gets build up, same as iron.

Copper breaks down serotonin in the brain. This is why more and more people go on SSRIs
this is why all those people crave sugar food when copper toxic, Since sugars spike insulin and insulin improves transport of tryptophan into the brain. You can go on amazon, find tryptophan supplements and see the feedback of people taking it. All of them say that tryptophan completely stopped all sugar cravings. All those people are copper toxic. Copper breaks down serotonin in the brain. And this lowers MAO A enzymes breaking down serotonin, it also lowers sulfation in the liver. MAO A enzymes works on vitamin B2. So when copper breaks down serotonin in the brain, vitamin B2 is lowered. But it is needed for glutathione recylcing. And conversion of sulfites to sulfate. That is why those people get intolerant to protein foods, and they become vegans.
When glutathione recycling goes down, this retains other minerals like mercury lead etc. This is why copper toxicity can jump start heavy metal retention.

ARL sees 100s of thousands hairtests a year. And they constantly see copper problems, especially with the americans.

Yura I remember you posted a video of a doctor fixing people by chelating free copper . fibro chronic fatigue etc. Please post it again.

 

[Yura]

@gbolduev "Yura I remember you posted a video of a doctor fixing people by chelating free copper . fibro chronic fatigue etc. Please post it again."
This is the guy and his youtube channel.
Dan Purser MD

and this is the video you wanted.. I used the formula from this video to calculate non ceruloplasmin bound copper. He is like 50% is very high and 75% was the worst he saw. I have 99,8% LOL..

 

[Helen]

@gbolduev "Yura I remember you posted a video of a doctor fixing people by chelating free copper . fibro chronic fatigue etc. Please post it again."
This is the guy and his youtube channel.
Dan Purser MD

and this is the video you wanted.. I used the formula from this video to calculate non ceruloplasmin bound copper. He is like 50% is very high and 75% was the worst he saw. I have 99,8% LOL..

You have 99.8? No way. Did you calculate this correctly? Did you convert ceruloplasmin correctly?

I mean if you have 99.8 free copper, which is hard to believe, you must have made a mistake.



I lost my best friend from copper. We were friends for 15 years. And then he decides to take copper. Oh man. He became so manic it was crazy. All of a sudden he was into these conspiracy theories and this and that, and that everyone around him wanted to hurt him and take advantage of him. It was unreal. Copper is a funny mineral. Copper toxicity is what moves people to write articles like Message of his Kingdom. And then other toxic people get attracted to it and start taking copper. It is like a cult.

Yura , please lets calculated the numbers together. Can you post your values. Since 99.8 seem crazy high.

Usually if there is no bile, there is a copper deficiency.

 

[Yura]

Copper 69,8 ug/dL
zinc 99,4 ug/dL
ceruloplasmin 24 ug/dL

So copper bound to ceruloplasmin
24x0,003= 0,072

copper not bound to ceruloplasmin
69,8-0,072 = 69,7

non ceruloplasmin bound copper percentage
69,7 : 69,8 = 0,998.. What?
Now it does't make sense lol.

If you want to calculate this correctly pls
I had on the blood work paper
ceruloplasmin 0,24 g/l
copper 10,94 umol/l
zinc 15,20 umol/l