Slayo's PFS Log- is recovery possible for me ?
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Aflac94
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I would do only the program supplements. Start there. You won’t know what is causing what if you add other stuff in. I made that mistake
I heard helen saying we can add aminos, then in another post she says no, so i'm confused, and since from my OAT test i have systemic protein deficency i asked if i can i can take aminos.
I think she isn't sure herself whetever if it is safe to take them or not.
About PC i don't think it is a problem, but about malic acid i'm unsure since it changes the NADH/NADPH.
What mistake did you do ?
I think she isn't sure herself whetever if it is safe to take them or not.
About PC i don't think it is a problem, but about malic acid i'm unsure since it changes the NADH/NADPH.
What mistake did you do ?
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Just take a high quality whey protien for aminos and follow tei recommended diet. I wouldnt add anything else, the recommended supplements will be enough. This is what I have done and is working.
Also staty with it, I got some crazy fatigue, nausea, and sore joint for a while and now it feels up hill from there. Right now I am feeling pretty good. Just have 100% faith in the program.
What did they recommend?
I am taking beatine, para pack, adrenal pack, vitamin e plus, and vitamin b's. All from tei.
For me it is easier to take the full spectrum aminos instead of whey, is that okay ? I'm on ARL not TEI
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I don't see where taking aminos would hurt, but I wouldn't add anything else.
Sorry, forgot you are doing arl. Stiil, what do they have you taking?
Also on my first round of tei I didn't notice much while on the supps but had a nice snap back after a week of being off everything. Don't be surprised if it's the same.
They recommended betaine hcl, endodren, endopan, megapan, limcomin, paramin, thyro complex
What i'm doing now: ARL full programm + full spectrum aminos + sauna + PC/lecithin + bravo probiotics
Sauna almost killed me today, triggered very low blood pressure and imcreased a lot my weakness
Also now i have the goal of putting weight to do a water fast, using an infrared lamp on stomach and liver helps me eating more foods, and i find that now i can tollerate cocounut that is full of calories so i'm eating a lot of it like 150g a day
Sauna almost killed me today, triggered very low blood pressure and imcreased a lot my weakness
Also now i have the goal of putting weight to do a water fast, using an infrared lamp on stomach and liver helps me eating more foods, and i find that now i can tollerate cocounut that is full of calories so i'm eating a lot of it like 150g a day
Holy shit, my liver is so congested, i think to the ARL and powder lecithing i'm already taking i will add liquid pc and tudca (i have at home an already opened bottle from one year ago, will just end it).
I want to do somenthing for my hairs too, since pfs i'm loosing them like crazy, scalp always inflammed and painfull, what can i do ? Salt on the scalp ? Aminos on the scalp ? @TubZy please if you can advise on somenthing
I want to do somenthing for my hairs too, since pfs i'm loosing them like crazy, scalp always inflammed and painfull, what can i do ? Salt on the scalp ? Aminos on the scalp ? @TubZy please if you can advise on somenthing
Wish i could do that but because of my stomach problem i have to eat some bad foods like banana, legumes, cocounut otherwise i would loose too much weight, and i want to gain weight in order to do a waterfast
I have bought enough supps to do a month, if it doesn't work after a month i will switch to TEI because it is much cheaper, but i don't think the stuffs Helen is promoting will help me at all
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And which food inflamed your scalp?
MNK99
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Slayo, you prolly thought of this but can you get some(clean) Mass gainer and add like 800-1000 cals just in a shake alone, maybe like 1500 with bananas, olive oil, pb, butter, spinach, salt. Throw a potato in there, some ghee it's like 2500 then.
Add a stake (blend or eat it), a bunch of eggs like 4000.
Add a stake (blend or eat it), a bunch of eggs like 4000.
Man do you have one to suggest ? I remember them having shitty ingredients like gluten, etc, but i haven't investigated much, if you have one to suggest i will look into it
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Hey man... Just saying from some v skinny friends. They have different metabolisms and total daily energy expenditures.
I'd check amazon or some other euro/italian supplier...
I either get stronger and leaner incrementally, or stay skinny but not super ripped. So, I'm more likely to gain fat.
SO, I only ever take leanest proteins I can find usually. So what I'd know or recommend would be 160-200 cals, maybe 340 for a meal replacement. BUT* I think you'd need a HELL of a lot more than that, to gain mass, and then fast. Because you're super tall and light.
-I need like 1000 cal surplus over TDEE to gain LBM and like 1000 under to lose bodyfat. Something like that. Well probably more like 500, but I err on cutting - side... and rather gain smaller amts of bodyfat and LBM and cut back easier, and never gain fat.
-When I say mass gainer I mean for people that have extremely fast metabolisms. Mine is fast, but it's bc I'm hyper and move around and workout a lot + other stuff.
-Some people can't maintain weight without 3000 4000 4500 etc cals even untrained.
-ADDING whatever oils work... (are approved), like olive oil, mct oil (?), butter, ghee... etc... could add a ton of cals.
I think, other people that have difficulty maintaining mass, can chime in. BUT* I will look it up.
Also, you can take any good lean protein and add whatever you want.
AND yes, I don't use gluten and all that stuff. And it's hard to verify with supps/ workout powders.
Let me check one second...
I've been using this goo.gl/3muBnTcontent_copyCopy short URL
NOT nearly enuff calories I think for your case, but adding stuff in there and cooking with lots of fats could add a hell of a lot.
-I used muscle milk, Isoflex, etc... lactose and grain and gluten free. BUT* mostly low calorie but they do have ones with 320-340cals.
-Right now I am using Iso-flex... I'll post link in a second. goo.gl/3muBnT
-Here are some (potentially) higher calorie protein ones.
-And yes, I hear you on ingredients. I have to be super careful with everything I buy... pre-pfs also.
-These are American and this may be useless... but maybe check bodybuilding forums/ sites in your area? Ask some gym guys?
-I'm sure some of these are good and some are terrible and I'd check the ingredients.......
I'd check amazon or some other euro/italian supplier...
I either get stronger and leaner incrementally, or stay skinny but not super ripped. So, I'm more likely to gain fat.
SO, I only ever take leanest proteins I can find usually. So what I'd know or recommend would be 160-200 cals, maybe 340 for a meal replacement. BUT* I think you'd need a HELL of a lot more than that, to gain mass, and then fast. Because you're super tall and light.
-I need like 1000 cal surplus over TDEE to gain LBM and like 1000 under to lose bodyfat. Something like that. Well probably more like 500, but I err on cutting - side... and rather gain smaller amts of bodyfat and LBM and cut back easier, and never gain fat.
-When I say mass gainer I mean for people that have extremely fast metabolisms. Mine is fast, but it's bc I'm hyper and move around and workout a lot + other stuff.
-Some people can't maintain weight without 3000 4000 4500 etc cals even untrained.
-ADDING whatever oils work... (are approved), like olive oil, mct oil (?), butter, ghee... etc... could add a ton of cals.
I think, other people that have difficulty maintaining mass, can chime in. BUT* I will look it up.
Also, you can take any good lean protein and add whatever you want.
AND yes, I don't use gluten and all that stuff. And it's hard to verify with supps/ workout powders.
Let me check one second...
I've been using this goo.gl/3muBnTcontent_copyCopy short URL
NOT nearly enuff calories I think for your case, but adding stuff in there and cooking with lots of fats could add a hell of a lot.
-I used muscle milk, Isoflex, etc... lactose and grain and gluten free. BUT* mostly low calorie but they do have ones with 320-340cals.
-Right now I am using Iso-flex... I'll post link in a second. goo.gl/3muBnT
-Here are some (potentially) higher calorie protein ones.
-And yes, I hear you on ingredients. I have to be super careful with everything I buy... pre-pfs also.
-These are American and this may be useless... but maybe check bodybuilding forums/ sites in your area? Ask some gym guys?
-I'm sure some of these are good and some are terrible and I'd check the ingredients.......
- MusclePharm Combat XL Mass Gainer Powder, Chocolate Peanut Butter, 6 Pound
- VANILLA LESS NAKED MASS - All Natural Weight Gainer Protein Powder - 8lb
- CHOCOLATE LESS NAKED MASS -
- Dymatize Super Mass Gainer, Cookies & Cream, 12 lbs
- MusclePharm Combat XL Mass Gainer Powder, Chocolate, 12 Pound
- Vaxxen Labs Leftovers Meal Replacement - Organic Raw Plant Based Protein Powder - Vegan and Gluten-Free – 77.04oz (2,184g)
- Iron Vegan Athlete's Gainer Chocolate, 5.5 lbs
- MuscleMeds Carnivor Mass Anabolic Beef Protein Gainer, Chocolate Fudge, 10.7...
- [Sponsored]Medical Grade Protein, GENEPRO by Musclegen Research
- [Sponsored]Whey Protein Powder Isolate by BulkSupplements (1 kilograms) | Clean & Pure Unflavored 90% Isolate for Men & Women | Build Muscle Mass & Burn Fat Fast
- Weight Gainer 2LBS Banana Sugar Free
- Less Naked Whey Chocolate Protein - All Natural Grass Fed Whey Protein Powder,
- MuscleTech MT Performance Series Mass Tech Extreme 2000 Delicious, Strawberry...
- Mass Hardcore-Hormone Free Unflavored 7.5
- MRM All Natural Gainer, Rich Vanilla, 3.3 Lbs Tub
- NAKED CASEIN 1LB - 100% Micellar Casein Protein
- Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass Weight Gainer
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Hey man... Just saying from some v skinny friends. They have different metabolisms and total daily energy expenditures.
I'd check amazon or some other euro/italian supplier...
I either get stronger and leaner incrementally, or stay skinny but not super ripped. So, I'm more likely to gain fat.
SO, I only ever take leanest proteins I can find usually. So what I'd know or recommend would be 160-200 cals, maybe 340 for a meal replacement. BUT* I think you'd need a HELL of a lot more than that, to gain mass, and then fast. Because you're super tall and light.
-I need like 1000 cal surplus over TDEE to gain LBM and like 1000 under to lose bodyfat. Something like that. Well probably more like 500, but I err on cutting - side... and rather gain smaller amts of bodyfat and LBM and cut back easier, and never gain fat.
-When I say mass gainer I mean for people that have extremely fast metabolisms. Mine is fast, but it's bc I'm hyper and move around and workout a lot + other stuff.
-Some people can't maintain weight without 3000 4000 4500 etc cals even untrained.
-ADDING whatever oils work... (are approved), like olive oil, mct oil (?), butter, ghee... etc... could add a ton of cals.
I think, other people that have difficulty maintaining mass, can chime in. BUT* I will look it up.
Also, you can take any good lean protein and add whatever you want.
AND yes, I don't use gluten and all that stuff. And it's hard to verify with supps/ workout powders.
Let me check one second...
I've been using this goo.gl/3muBnTcontent_copyCopy short URL
NOT nearly enuff calories I think for your case, but adding stuff in there and cooking with lots of fats could add a hell of a lot.
-I used muscle milk, Isoflex, etc... lactose and grain and gluten free. BUT* mostly low calorie but they do have ones with 320-340cals.
-Right now I am using Iso-flex... I'll post link in a second. goo.gl/3muBnT
-Here are some (potentially) higher calorie protein ones.
-And yes, I hear you on ingredients. I have to be super careful with everything I buy... pre-pfs also.
-These are American and this may be useless... but maybe check bodybuilding forums/ sites in your area? Ask some gym guys?
-I'm sure some of these are good and some are terrible and I'd check the ingredients.......
- MusclePharm Combat XL Mass Gainer Powder, Chocolate Peanut Butter, 6 Pound
- VANILLA LESS NAKED MASS - All Natural Weight Gainer Protein Powder - 8lb
- CHOCOLATE LESS NAKED MASS -
- Dymatize Super Mass Gainer, Cookies & Cream, 12 lbs
- MusclePharm Combat XL Mass Gainer Powder, Chocolate, 12 Pound
- Vaxxen Labs Leftovers Meal Replacement - Organic Raw Plant Based Protein Powder - Vegan and Gluten-Free – 77.04oz (2,184g)
- Iron Vegan Athlete's Gainer Chocolate, 5.5 lbs
- MuscleMeds Carnivor Mass Anabolic Beef Protein Gainer, Chocolate Fudge, 10.7...
- [Sponsored]Medical Grade Protein, GENEPRO by Musclegen Research
- [Sponsored]Whey Protein Powder Isolate by BulkSupplements (1 kilograms) | Clean & Pure Unflavored 90% Isolate for Men & Women | Build Muscle Mass & Burn Fat Fast
- Weight Gainer 2LBS Banana Sugar Free
- Less Naked Whey Chocolate Protein - All Natural Grass Fed Whey Protein Powder,
- MuscleTech MT Performance Series Mass Tech Extreme 2000 Delicious, Strawberry...
- Mass Hardcore-Hormone Free Unflavored 7.5
- MRM All Natural Gainer, Rich Vanilla, 3.3 Lbs Tub
- NAKED CASEIN 1LB - 100% Micellar Casein Protein
- Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass Weight Gainer
Thanks man, i appreciate your help.
Over the last 6 months i have been able to put 2kg just eating a little more, if i'm able to put other 5kg i can do a 14 days water fast (i remember during my first one to have lost half kg a day), i think if i can reach 2500 calories i can gain these other 5kg in like 3 months.
Unfortunately as you know my stomach and liver are fucked, and even adding cocounut i can't go above 2000 calories with solid foods without getting nausea, pain, etc but if i can take 500 calories of just mass gainer i will be fine, so i would definetly try it.
I was 67kg 6 months ago, now 69kg, if i reach 74kg i will be fine with a 14 days water fast and i can finally start making some progress
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I WAS very overweight (like half my life ago, but still). I can eat 3k 3500cals... even more, and not gain tm fat, look jacked for a few weeks... (long run yeah, it'd fuck me over). When working out. No workouts just walks, still can a bit... but there are guys way smaller than me that eat way more and that means height wise they're way way smaller than you. But if you can't eat, and are working up to it... I understand.
I lost 70lb at 16 bro... it fucked my eating up for years. 2500 is not nearly enough I know you're sick though.
Any workouts possible? Make me and most others far hungrier. Easier said than done, I know.
Find out your TDEE (only an estimate) but if you can get the other 5kg in 3mo, that isn't that bad, that's like 1.67kg or 3.66 pounds a month. I guess that isn't that bad.
Trying to help my dad's liver a bit these days. I get frustrated... I'll print out some stuff for him.
It will be worth it even if it takes 3mo... and then the fast (can be quite hard but the refeed, and benefits are often worth it).
I know a couple others are similarly trying to gain more then fast. Seems dodgy, but in such a circumstance... it takes drastic measures to achieve the results.
I know you've been quite sick, I hope it works out well man. You and several others know a lot more about liver flushing and such than me, I just try and do it as a whole.
I'm certain carrying on drinking + pills, my liver would be fucked mid to late 20's, and effexor, fin, etc, etc... but it can get better. Trying is worth it.
One year ago, I was in my dark condo, looking ahead, trying to think of what to do... anything in my medicine cabinet. Thought about that trying to fall asleep.
Blazed and watched some movie instead (18mins anyways, I'll finish it tmro John Wick 2).
I lost 70lb at 16 bro... it fucked my eating up for years. 2500 is not nearly enough I know you're sick though.
Any workouts possible? Make me and most others far hungrier. Easier said than done, I know.
Find out your TDEE (only an estimate) but if you can get the other 5kg in 3mo, that isn't that bad, that's like 1.67kg or 3.66 pounds a month. I guess that isn't that bad.
Trying to help my dad's liver a bit these days. I get frustrated... I'll print out some stuff for him.
It will be worth it even if it takes 3mo... and then the fast (can be quite hard but the refeed, and benefits are often worth it).
I know a couple others are similarly trying to gain more then fast. Seems dodgy, but in such a circumstance... it takes drastic measures to achieve the results.
I know you've been quite sick, I hope it works out well man. You and several others know a lot more about liver flushing and such than me, I just try and do it as a whole.
I'm certain carrying on drinking + pills, my liver would be fucked mid to late 20's, and effexor, fin, etc, etc... but it can get better. Trying is worth it.
One year ago, I was in my dark condo, looking ahead, trying to think of what to do... anything in my medicine cabinet. Thought about that trying to fall asleep.
Blazed and watched some movie instead (18mins anyways, I'll finish it tmro John Wick 2).
MNK99
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I know this isn't normal health, but is it possible to eat around 500-1000 above what you think is possible?
Slightly bad "set point" occurred to me... and at 25 or so, I ate 6 weeks, increasing 300 and 500 per day each week. 6-7 weeks later I was stronger and didn't gain much fat if at all, cut at higher numbers like 2500 rather than 1500 or less and less. Now, I'm pretty extreme, but cuz of that surgery, etc... I was probably 14 and looked 16-17%. Now less, but if I ever eat way too low for 5-6 days, I just ignore diet (but eat healthy, ignoring the numbers) and it balances out.
-Since then stronger, leaner, without having to dip too low.
-I do fast crazy, but it's partly stims, and also: I think it helps mood/focus stuff... and possibly PFS. Helps gym gains, which motivates at very least.
-It's routine for me and a reward after a productive day. And changing routines fucks up a lot for me (in life).
-But with only espresso, I've done it too.
-I'm actually barely taking stims, bc of some other stuff I'm trying, and can easily eat 1-3 meals post 18hrs.
-IF you can FAST, you can EAT. And at different times need to do either one.
1800 can sustain, 2500, 3000, etc or whatever numbers, it's just adaptation. Like noise... sound. Volume at 14... play it at 10 all week, then 11 is loud.
I could be very wrong as we have different current health situations. I did get a bit more fat, but there's something to cut back to, and years since, stronger and leaner.. whether eating clean and exercising or fucking off even.
If you've eaten low cals forever.... it's safe to say it's quite possible to up it. NOT all at once. It's safe to gain or lose 1-2lb initially for most people healthily... so say 1lb, or .5lb... that's still 2 a month. 1 lb is 3500 excess calories over energy expenditure (TDEE* = Total Daily Expenditure). So 500, so 300 is playing it safe per day.
Some lady wrote a thread on BBF, it was great
But, I can't find that. This seems reasonable as well:
Nutrition
After training fasted, and then eating meals for 21 days not so bad... Easy to do.
In contrast, forcing myself to eat a ton more probably is worse, it took me 35-42 days to make it easier part of routine and not a hassle. I had to write every meal down. Now past that point and try not to bother but did for PFS. I remember and calc everything all the time anyways.
If in doubt emulate the fattest kids you see, take some of their habits (short term!)
Slightly bad "set point" occurred to me... and at 25 or so, I ate 6 weeks, increasing 300 and 500 per day each week. 6-7 weeks later I was stronger and didn't gain much fat if at all, cut at higher numbers like 2500 rather than 1500 or less and less. Now, I'm pretty extreme, but cuz of that surgery, etc... I was probably 14 and looked 16-17%. Now less, but if I ever eat way too low for 5-6 days, I just ignore diet (but eat healthy, ignoring the numbers) and it balances out.
-Since then stronger, leaner, without having to dip too low.
-I do fast crazy, but it's partly stims, and also: I think it helps mood/focus stuff... and possibly PFS. Helps gym gains, which motivates at very least.
-It's routine for me and a reward after a productive day. And changing routines fucks up a lot for me (in life).
-But with only espresso, I've done it too.
-I'm actually barely taking stims, bc of some other stuff I'm trying, and can easily eat 1-3 meals post 18hrs.
-IF you can FAST, you can EAT. And at different times need to do either one.
1800 can sustain, 2500, 3000, etc or whatever numbers, it's just adaptation. Like noise... sound. Volume at 14... play it at 10 all week, then 11 is loud.
I could be very wrong as we have different current health situations. I did get a bit more fat, but there's something to cut back to, and years since, stronger and leaner.. whether eating clean and exercising or fucking off even.
If you've eaten low cals forever.... it's safe to say it's quite possible to up it. NOT all at once. It's safe to gain or lose 1-2lb initially for most people healthily... so say 1lb, or .5lb... that's still 2 a month. 1 lb is 3500 excess calories over energy expenditure (TDEE* = Total Daily Expenditure). So 500, so 300 is playing it safe per day.
Some lady wrote a thread on BBF, it was great
But, I can't find that. This seems reasonable as well:
Nutrition
After training fasted, and then eating meals for 21 days not so bad... Easy to do.
In contrast, forcing myself to eat a ton more probably is worse, it took me 35-42 days to make it easier part of routine and not a hassle. I had to write every meal down. Now past that point and try not to bother but did for PFS. I remember and calc everything all the time anyways.
If in doubt emulate the fattest kids you see, take some of their habits (short term!)
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