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esp90

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Wtf you don't need to use that much hair lol. A tiny section/like 1/20th of the amount you cut is all you need
No, he's done it right, its just that his hair is so short, they want 125 mg worth of hair or something like that.
 

Fazed22

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No, he's done it right, its just that his hair is so short, they want 125 mg worth of hair or something like that.
Well maybe TEI is different but for TEI you only need like less than 1/20th of the amount in the second pic
 

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Guys I know you need less than 300mg of hair. I just wanted to make sure they will have plenty so I put into envelope like 2-3g hehe..
More is better than less right? Now I just hope it will be delivered..
@zancek0 hehe already cut my hair something like military high fade.
 
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Some practitioner like Luke etc. says this brand of supps is much better than endo met. It looks interesting. Never saw so many forms of magnesium/calcium in one pill lol
If that was what ARL was using. I could see how it is impossible to replicate them, but endo met supps really are years behind..
 

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Some practitioner like Luke etc. says this brand of supps is much better than endo met. It looks interesting. Never saw so many forms of magnesium/calcium in one pill lol
If that was what ARL was using. I could see how it is impossible to replicate them, but endo met supps really are years behind..
Oh my god... I won't comment further on this but if you think it is a good idea to use other supplements (with active Bs) instead of the one the algorithm was designed for lol.

Regarding your hair you can use thinning scissors next time.
Only one tablespoon full is necessary for ARL.
 

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@manu like I said I don't know if I believe in this idea that you have to take exactly what ARL is giving you. I mean they have no data on your biochemistry just the hair test. They have no idea if you have low or high homocysteine for example.. So how they should know if you need methylated Bs or not. I see it more like you find what oxidation rate you are so you can take stuff in amounts and ratios that will bring you closer to balance. But I really don't think that the details matter much. Especially when you consider they don't even know what diet you are on. That is so huge variable that there is no way they can predict anything basically.. So like I said I see HTMA more as a tool to see what oxidation rate you are and what elements you are eliminating/wasting. That's about it. If that alone helps to heal fully great, but it is probably not the case for most...
I did 2 hair tests in ARL 2018 and 2019. During that year before second test so much stuff changed. I stopped thyroid meds etc.. But they had no idea what I did or whatever. THey just saw sodium crashed down and the only change I saw in supps they recommended was increase in manganese. Really that's it? That is what should substitute for my low thyroid? Manganese? How? Yes manganese can increase sodium, but what it can do for my thyroid? Not much..
See they have no idea what is my iodine status for example or what is with my thyroid etc..
That's why I really think that it is important piece of the puzzle, but it is just one out of many..


Btw but I don't think those supplements where is mix of like 30 different things, herbal stuff etc.. a good idea.. I think it is still better to take just the elements you really need to not overwhelm the liver.. I can imagine how taxing it must be to process so much stuff.. So in that way endo met supps makes more sense, but the price should be 2 times lower for what they are..
 
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Of course they can tell. This is why so much iterations are needed. They give you stuff, you do a retest, and they see how your body reacts... and this tells them a lot.
That is why it is so important to take what they prescribe to you. Because their program assumes that the reaction was caused by the things they prescribed to you.
But if you take supplements with active Bs you bypass the enzymatic regulation and their reasoning will be wrong. The reaction will be misinterpreted and you can fuck yourself up over the long run IMHO.

Imagine your doc prescribes you something and after that he analysis your blood values... of course he assumes that you have taken what he prescribed to you and his reasoning is based on that...

Whatever... I think I have written this down numerous times...

We share a lot of symptoms so I empathize a lot.
Maybe if you just want to support your oxidiation rate... maybe those supplements will help you.
Good luck to you, sincerely!
 

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@manu I was taking T4 meds. Stopped taking it and the only change they did was increasing manganese. So I was asking how will manganese help with my T4 production?
See all they did was trying to fix sodium on hair test. But it did nothing for my high TSH and low free T4.. I liked a lot what Gbold/Helen was saying about how they know exactly what every enzyme, pathway is doing etc.. But it is hard to believe man..
Btw here they are talking about the supplements. Didn't know that the Lewis practitioner guy has to do something with that brand Valence
But I don't take them much seriously when Lewis is talking how much better the supps are etc.. It is just advertisement for his supps..
 
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RebelWithACause

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I think they just want to earn more money on the supps they sell and their own program. Added activated B vitamins changes the ARL program. Are they even using ARL machine now?
Plus remember Lewis got kicked from the practitioners list by Dr. Wilson because Dr Wilson went full schizo and heard voices telling him to kick him off.

Probably just doing their own thing now with that app and own supplements. I always found these guys uninspiring and not a good example at all plus they talk a bunch of nonsense often. It's easy to talk a bunch of nonsense to sick people but now I look at them and just Jesus man these guys are delusional thinking they are healthy. At least Helen was way more practical and based in reality.

Most of their past videos was just parroting Dr. Wilson his info and taking it as the holy word. Dr. Wilson who clearly has schizophrenia. Then got kicked and now all of a sudden their supps are better and the old supps are not as good. Yea right lol

This hairtest fuckery so much crap surrounding it and no good results. That's what turned me off from it after 1 year and I did my own thing and got way better results than any of these fuckers and I did it for shorter too. I don't even consider myself 100% healthy so what do these guys consider themselves

That being said I think if you are really sick it's very good to do TEI or ARL until you feel normal.
 
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Well I agree. I just see HTMA as a tool to see if what you are doing is completely wrong or ok and also you can see if you are detoxing some metals. But that's about it..
At least we will see how that program from Luke looks like. It will be interesting to compare it with ARL..
 

RebelWithACause

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I think it's interesting and shouldn't be discouraged I just criticize them and I agree I think it's because they are 100% focused on the hairtest. I don't want to shit on them too hard because I don't put my photos out there but they look hypothyroid.

That being said they are not bad people. Could be worse. But they have become a bit arrogant about the whole hair testing thing as if they understand it completely and advising people.

Plus the fact they try to monetize it. I think they feel they are in the right to do it probably because it takes them time to help people. But at the same time this gives them fuel to sell half lies like saying their new supps are better and deter people from the original program. Kinda the same tactic Dr. Wilson did to promote his own program. And putting themselves out there as if they understand their program fully.

Not sure why they do all this stuff. Just be a ARL practitioner bro. But they want to probably earn more that's what it seems to me. Unless they have their own computer and algorithm and understand it fully
 

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Yeah I think they never had full blood panel test done. They would be probably surprised LOL..
But at the same time someone like Luke was with Wilson/ARL for a long time. I think he understands it much better than Gbold/Helen..
But like you said he is just focused on hair test. Doesn't know anything else about biochemistry and other stuff.
So he will miss a lot of things while helping people if he is not doing blood tests etc..
I know Lewis has no idea about blood tests. When I told him in comment section that I am doing blood tests for serum copper/ceruloplasmin to see if my free copper is high/low if I am dumping copper. That it is much better than hair test because you can do blood test like every day. He was like what where how you are doing blood tests. It is probably crazy expensive in UK/USA and/or in some cases you simply can't do blood test on your own without some Dr. giving you permission.. At least that we have good here. Lab on every corner where you can pay and do blood tests..
 

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Those guys are good examples that you dont want to be on those programs too long, probably no longer than 5+ years. They both look like they have a baskelball for a face, so freaking puffy and bloated. They looked healthier 10 years ago
 

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@manu I was taking T4 meds. Stopped taking it and the only change they did was increasing manganese. So I was asking how will manganese help with my T4 production?
See all they did was trying to fix sodium on hair test. But it did nothing for my high TSH and low free T4.. I liked a lot what Gbold/Helen was saying about how they know exactly what every enzyme, pathway is doing etc.. But it is hard to believe man..
Btw here they are talking about the supplements. Didn't know that the Lewis practitioner guy has to do something with that brand Valence
But I don't take them much seriously when Lewis is talking how much better the supps are etc.. It is just advertisement for his supps..
if manganese is related to prolactin then it is related to work of thyroid
 

RebelWithACause

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Yeah I think they never had full blood panel test done. They would be probably surprised LOL..
But at the same time someone like Luke was with Wilson/ARL for a long time. I think he understands it much better than Gbold/Helen..
But like you said he is just focused on hair test. Doesn't know anything else about biochemistry and other stuff.
So he will miss a lot of things while helping people if he is not doing blood tests etc..
I know Lewis has no idea about blood tests. When I told him in comment section that I am doing blood tests for serum copper/ceruloplasmin to see if my free copper is high/low if I am dumping copper. That it is much better than hair test because you can do blood test like every day. He was like what where how you are doing blood tests. It is probably crazy expensive in UK/USA and/or in some cases you simply can't do blood test on your own without some Dr. giving you permission.. At least that we have good here. Lab on every corner where you can pay and do blood tests..
Dude the stuff you wrote here back then like 8 years ago and incl. on RPF was way more insightful than what a lot of Lewis and Luke are saying.
That being said I might been a bit too harsh on them. I think ARL and TEI are very good to stabilize like if you are very bad and you need something to help you get over the worst so you stabilize and can live and think further for yourself.
 

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Yeah but they have to know how i works when they worked for Wilson-ARL for so many years with so many people and I think they don't have any algorithm. They just look at the hair test and give you supps heh.. Btw it is hard to believe what Gbold/Helen was saying that hey know exactly what is going on in the body. I think that algorithm is based on the general knowledge that most good practitioners who do it decade or more have as well.. This idea that the algorithm knows exactly what is doing every hormone, pathway, enzyme in the body etc.. it is naive I think.. You can't know that when your only data is the hair test. You can manipulate that hair test in so many ways. Algorithm has no idea what the individual is doing, taking, eating whatever..

Anyways hair is traveling into US. It was stressful lol. When I did the HTMA years ago I had no idea about any of the issue from contamination etc.. Now I was chatting with chatGPT and I was going crazy ho to watch, with what, with what water, how to dry that hair etc. hahahaha...
 

youngsinatra

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Have you tested for SIBO? - That can cause systemic inflammation, endotoxemia, liver problems, nutrient deficiencies by impaired absorption, psychological problems, chronic fatigue etc.