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I have low cerulo and low copper in blood, and low copper in hairtest. Cerlulo and blood copper only rise when I'm on antibiotic.
This is incredibely insightful. Lots of people with low copper seem to have some sort of hidden infection, pathogens, endotoxin etc that might be lowering the copper.
Of course its chicken and egg type situation. Did the low copper / the mineral dysregulation come first, or did the infection come first.
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you are probably right. now when i killed infections-especially those anareobic in my gums with antibiotics- i can do zn/mn combo without huge suffering. beacuse before when anareobic abscess on my gums were ,,active", zn/mn combo were causing huge head pain and huge intensification of infection on gums. now i have ,,only'' problems with sleep/pressure/fast hert beat, but helen/gbold wrote that when copper is going out from liver and brain it is possible.
also would like to mention that my hair copper rise twice:
1. when i was follwowing tei suplementation based on my htma (i'm slow oxi)for two months
2. when for 1 month I was drinking tea/eating tansy herb and drinking during this month 3 times a week wormwood tincture (30 ml shot). I think tansy was cruical. tansy is known herb for skin whitening so for sure it influence copper
to sum up, i have to say that when hair copper is grownig libido and erection is better for sure. i felt it. i refer to point 1 - when i add histidine after those 2 months of supplementation this help even better, and i will refer to point 2- when i add vitamin c - it also helps a lot
and histidine and vit c are known copper binders
I have also been trying histidine the past week. Took 2g on average, but also 3g, even 4g. Also tried mang zinc. I have to say my norepionephrine and stress states that I would be stuck in all day are gone and I also feel leaner. However my appetite is incredibely suppressed. This reminds me of my p5p high dose experience 4 years ago when I got really ripped. However I cant help but feel like I am still running on stress and also I feel even more copper depleted. I hope this is not killing me and like yura says I just need copper to raise cerulo.
But a bit of the experiment and some of the studies I read on histidine are very promising actually. It also aligns with some thoughts I had. For example, GHk-CU peptide is basically made in the body by glycine, lysil and histidine I think. And histidine helps bind copper and transport it to cells in dysfunctional copper metabolism diseases like menkes disease.
So maybe this can bypass the ceruloplasmin problem and then eventually the body will have enough energy to build cerulo again.
However, the depleted copper deficiency symptoms are worrying me.
On the other hand, some stuff also aligns with copper dumping like incredible rage and suppressed emotions coming out like crazy. Lots of external shifts in my life.
But a bit of the experiment and some of the studies I read on histidine are very promising actually. It also aligns with some thoughts I had. For example, GHk-CU peptide is basically made in the body by glycine, lysil and histidine I think. And histidine helps bind copper and transport it to cells in dysfunctional copper metabolism diseases like menkes disease.
So maybe this can bypass the ceruloplasmin problem and then eventually the body will have enough energy to build cerulo again.
However, the depleted copper deficiency symptoms are worrying me.
On the other hand, some stuff also aligns with copper dumping like incredible rage and suppressed emotions coming out like crazy. Lots of external shifts in my life.
I know I have infections, pathogens for sure. For years low white blood cells and neutrophils.. I really don't know how to get out out of this mess.. The body simply needs bioavaiable copper, higher ceruloplasmin, So there is not free iron feeding pathogens and also there is available copper to kill those pathogens and with available copper the body has SOD, so the body can start to kill pathogens with hydrogen peroxyde.. I have to do something omg..
@dpal major copper dump symptom is also crazy gas, bloating as the copper is killing pathogens.. Interestingly today I had crazy gas and bloating. But I don't know if it was because I took that 2mg copper pill yesterday or because I had two day in a row stupid protein bar with 20g of some shitty fiber that probably feeds bacteria.. But I didn't have this crazy reacting the first time I ate that bar. Just today. Interesting.. So taking histidine with lysine and glycine so the body can make GHK?
@dpal major copper dump symptom is also crazy gas, bloating as the copper is killing pathogens.. Interestingly today I had crazy gas and bloating. But I don't know if it was because I took that 2mg copper pill yesterday or because I had two day in a row stupid protein bar with 20g of some shitty fiber that probably feeds bacteria.. But I didn't have this crazy reacting the first time I ate that bar. Just today. Interesting.. So taking histidine with lysine and glycine so the body can make GHK?
I only took copper a handful of times in my life.
Because like you I tried fixing it through the other route.
if it turns out I just need copper and A to build cerulo I will bite my own ass that I wasted my twenties basically.
but I took copper recently twice actually. Both times 4mg. The first time I was at first sooooo stimulated, but then like 8 hours later, at night, I was hit by an incredible warmth and dopamine. I said to myself this is how people must feel like for whom thyroid works. But I couldnt sleep at all. I was up until 9am I think.
Then a few weeks later I took copper and I felt sad. But who knows, maybe it was something else that caused it.
I can also see what you say with major copper dumping symptoms like gas and stuff. I used to have that a lot of times on zinc and moly alone but on histidine not so much. I do feel like I have 0 bile flow though since taing the histidine. No movement in my gallbladder. Which is weird because paradoxically my stomach acid seems much stronger and sibo symptoms much better. I am also getting leaner already. So hm IDK what the fuck is happening to be honest.
@Yura did you already get your copper and ceruloplasmin labs or only vit A?
Because like you I tried fixing it through the other route.
if it turns out I just need copper and A to build cerulo I will bite my own ass that I wasted my twenties basically.
but I took copper recently twice actually. Both times 4mg. The first time I was at first sooooo stimulated, but then like 8 hours later, at night, I was hit by an incredible warmth and dopamine. I said to myself this is how people must feel like for whom thyroid works. But I couldnt sleep at all. I was up until 9am I think.
Then a few weeks later I took copper and I felt sad. But who knows, maybe it was something else that caused it.
I can also see what you say with major copper dumping symptoms like gas and stuff. I used to have that a lot of times on zinc and moly alone but on histidine not so much. I do feel like I have 0 bile flow though since taing the histidine. No movement in my gallbladder. Which is weird because paradoxically my stomach acid seems much stronger and sibo symptoms much better. I am also getting leaner already. So hm IDK what the fuck is happening to be honest.
@Yura did you already get your copper and ceruloplasmin labs or only vit A?
Yes like 15 blood tests. Always low copper low ceruloplasmin. Only two times I had crazy high free copper = copper dump. I had two hair tests slow oxidizer, low copper.. I am like you wasted a decade of my life not knowing what to do. Take copper, chelate copper. The reality is we need everything. Zinc, copper, manganese.. What makes sense that zinc will be depleted more. We have much more zinc than copper in the body.. So ARL was probably right with their recommended 80mg zinc, 20mg manganese, 2.5mg copper.. That would probably balance stuff over couple of months and immune system would start killing pathogens and the body could finally make SOD enzymes.. I should do that 7 years ago and be ok now.. Will do it now. Will see if my fucked up body can even handle it. Until the hair test I will just have some copper, manganese only from the diet and will take 10-15mg of zinc a day.. I started also with TUDCA hopefully it will help live to make bile..
I feel you bro.
I meant if you had a recent one because I thought with vit A you will also do copper and ceruloplasmin.
This is 2 month old before I started taking T4. and the test form now when I did vit A is on page 11, but there is no copper. I don't know when they want send me that result lol. But my ceruloplasmin dropped from 0.21 to 0.18 while taking T4 lol. What sucks is that I simply can't measure reverse T3 here.. So maybe that T4 goes just into reverse T3 and that blocks free T3 and that's why I am even more hypothyroid. Crazy dry lizzard liek skin etc.. I think if I see bad numbers in thext test in terms of now better free T3 even with good free T4 numbers I will drop tha fucking T4 hormone again and will hope that HTMA will fix me even my thyroid. but otherwise my endo will kill me If I come back year later that I stopped taking it again lol.. I stopped T4 meds like 3 times already... Going in circles like I said for a decade... But if I drop my meds my sodium probably potassium as well will be artificially high on hair test and I will get incorrect sups with less manganese, zinc.. So if I drop the meds i would have to wait after that at least couple of weeks, then cut my hair then wait for new to grow and that send. LOL If the numbers TSH, free T4 will be better I will keep taking it and to the program based on the fact that I take some T4.. That is probably better now for me.. i can't wait 5 months again to not knowing what the fuck to do lol..
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RebelWithACause
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High copper in tissues could stop copper transportation completely. Helen explained it often. It's normal to have low ceruloplasmin and low copper in serum when you are copper toxic. Especially if you are very copper toxic like you are.
Once you lower it to normal levels it will probably go up again because your body can use it again.
Same with other minerals when you have too much of them
My dad is a typical example of this. Severely copper toxic. But never has issues. He eats copper foods, everything but you can tell his estrogen doesn't work. So he doesn't have much feelings either. He can digest anything. It's the body's way to survive in the case of copper toxicity. Just shuts it off completely. He feels good.
I was the same as him. I had low estrogen all my life and felt good all the time never had mood swings. Then once my estrogen started to work a little bit I was way more depressed and issues because copper started to transport again.
He probably also has mercury toxicity though. So that combination will make estrogen not work right I think.
But that being said I think eventually you do need copper, no question. I feel much better on more copper. But it needs to work properly. When you do it too long you get low estrogen symptoms which is horrible as well.
Once you lower it to normal levels it will probably go up again because your body can use it again.
Same with other minerals when you have too much of them
My dad is a typical example of this. Severely copper toxic. But never has issues. He eats copper foods, everything but you can tell his estrogen doesn't work. So he doesn't have much feelings either. He can digest anything. It's the body's way to survive in the case of copper toxicity. Just shuts it off completely. He feels good.
I was the same as him. I had low estrogen all my life and felt good all the time never had mood swings. Then once my estrogen started to work a little bit I was way more depressed and issues because copper started to transport again.
He probably also has mercury toxicity though. So that combination will make estrogen not work right I think.
But that being said I think eventually you do need copper, no question. I feel much better on more copper. But it needs to work properly. When you do it too long you get low estrogen symptoms which is horrible as well.
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My dad is fucked as well. Was given hormones after prostate removal.. He is copper toxic for sure..
I am the opposite of your case it looks like I was high estrogen as a kid, teens. Now it crashed probably due to increased copper load over time.. I will keep that small dose zinc so I don't crash what copper i have left and will keep taking also some extra histidine 2-3 times a day to bind any free copper that will show up in the blood.. No drastic measure until hair test.. Yeah we need copper. We eat it every day.. Now when I think about i I wanted to test my tap water for copper. There could be couple of mg in the water I drink every day easily.. + from food.. For sure no need to pound chocolate, nuts, seeds, a lot of legumes etc. Always felt off eating that kind of stuff.. But something more balanced like sea food that has zinc as well I think is ok.. Just expensive as fuck here..
I am the opposite of your case it looks like I was high estrogen as a kid, teens. Now it crashed probably due to increased copper load over time.. I will keep that small dose zinc so I don't crash what copper i have left and will keep taking also some extra histidine 2-3 times a day to bind any free copper that will show up in the blood.. No drastic measure until hair test.. Yeah we need copper. We eat it every day.. Now when I think about i I wanted to test my tap water for copper. There could be couple of mg in the water I drink every day easily.. + from food.. For sure no need to pound chocolate, nuts, seeds, a lot of legumes etc. Always felt off eating that kind of stuff.. But something more balanced like sea food that has zinc as well I think is ok.. Just expensive as fuck here..
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Most of the time if you want to increase copper just stop all supps lol like you said copper is always in your diet. Unless you eat 1 food like carnivore muscle meats.
Yeah but what if the more copper I slowly absorb the lower ceruloplasmin gets.. First and foremost I want to fix the root cause. I will go nowhere if I keep zinc, amino acids etc. low and just keep absorbing more and more copper.. I will take 10-15mg of zinc a day. I don't eat red meat just white poultry meat cooked in water where I don't eat that juice with fat that is left.. SO there will be hardly any zinc. So I have to take low dose to be at least on RDA.. Anyways Just took 250mg TUDCA that cheep one with no bitter taste, 500mg histidine, 1g lysine, 1g glycine. Now have this crazy weird sensation on my head around the ears and forehead. It is chelating something from my brain I think. I think it is the histidine mainly. It does something for sure.. I wish there was micronutrient meter like is for glucose. Imagine just looking in real time on your phone as minerals go up and down. That would be epic..
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Does turmeric have any downsides? I like that taste and it helps stimulate the bile flow. So I sprinkle some on my meals. I just don't want to fuck myself up with some unknown effect of this plant.. The only negative I know is higher oxalate content(not big deal in small dose) and everything it touches is fucking yellow. 
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I ate mustard which contained tumeric, never had problems with that.
It should lower iron absorption from plants as well. Another benefit. I love mustard. But that vinegar is not ideal for my liver. It is just more burden, more extra work to do for my liver and I want to be nice to my liver..
Can you share what looks your diet how your meal look like? I eat basically 3 times a day poultry meat with starches like rice, buckwheat, sorghum, corn pasta and veggies like green peas, green beans, brussels sprouts or broccoli and add like 10-15g of olive oil, 5g of sunflower lecithin(so I can actually digest that fat) and 10g of hydrolyzed collagen.. Garlic for every meal to kill bugs. For extra meal whey shake with banana/rice cake or something like that.. But try to keep blood sugar spikes low and carb overal lower as well.. They don't do much for me anyways apart from keeping my blood sugar stable.. I don't get that CO2, water, ATP production like when I was more healthy aka had copper working..
Can you share what looks your diet how your meal look like? I eat basically 3 times a day poultry meat with starches like rice, buckwheat, sorghum, corn pasta and veggies like green peas, green beans, brussels sprouts or broccoli and add like 10-15g of olive oil, 5g of sunflower lecithin(so I can actually digest that fat) and 10g of hydrolyzed collagen.. Garlic for every meal to kill bugs. For extra meal whey shake with banana/rice cake or something like that.. But try to keep blood sugar spikes low and carb overal lower as well.. They don't do much for me anyways apart from keeping my blood sugar stable.. I don't get that CO2, water, ATP production like when I was more healthy aka had copper working..
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My diet is very different now I eat a lot of dairy through out the day and at night eat meat (chicken, beef) with white rice and vegetables. But sometimes I also eat white pasta I don't feel bad from gluten. And I eat peas (legumes) and carrots. When I crave fruit I eat apples and pears mostly. Berries sometimes.
But at start I ate mostly meat + vegetables + white rice. No deviation. No dairy, no gluten etc.
But now I get to a point I feel like the dairy is too heavy too much calcium so my diet might change again soon.
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Have you ever tried a T3 containing thyroid? (NDT, cytomel, novothyral?)