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[Yura]

@Fazed22 hehe lol that is funny that it's you. Well I had vit A issues, because I had insane intake daily for years. Now my blood levels are ok. My issue now is simply zero bile..
So if taking EGCG pulls metals to the liver like some people say and there is some issue with bile. It will damage the liver or put crazy pressure on kidneys..
Btw I am looking on that EGCG from life extension vs Now foods yeah life extension has basically 100% more EGCG per capsule. So I would take just half a capsule if I decide to take it. For sure I wouldn't start first dose with 400mg EGCG..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 hehe lol that is funny that it's you. Well I had vit A issues, because I had insane intake daily for years. Now my blood levels are ok. My issue now is simply zero bile..
So if taking EGCG pulls metals to the liver like some people say and there is some issue with bile. It will damage the liver or put crazy pressure on kidneys..
Btw I am looking on that EGCG from life extension vs Now foods yeah life extension has basically 100% more EGCG per capsule. So I would take just half a capsule if I decide to take it. For sure I wouldn't start first dose with 400mg EGCG..

If you're so concerned about bile just do coffee enemas in combination with the doses, I think it clears the bile and gets the metals out much more effectively, just a slight pain to do the CEs. All the bad symptoms from hg7 are just from the released metals floating around your system and not getting cleared properly.

 

[Fazed22]

If you're so concerned about bile just do coffee enemas in combination with the doses, I think it clears the bile and gets the metals out much more effectively, just a slight pain to do the CEs. All the bad symptoms from hg7 are just from the released metals floating around your system and not getting cleared properly.

Also I forgot say when I first tried hg7 in lower doses taking all 7 things at same time, it was only when I drunk a coffee with milk it did relieve me of all the symptoms I had been feeling from the formula, so I do think the coffee helped move along the bile and helped deal with the iron being released.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 I did liver flushes, coffe enemas and everything you can think that is good for bile flow. No change.. Also my adrenals are really bad. For sure I can't handle coffee. Maybe even what is in EGCG would mess me up..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 hehe lol that is funny that it's you. Well I had vit A issues, because I had insane intake daily for years. Now my blood levels are ok. My issue now is simply zero bile..
So if taking EGCG pulls metals to the liver like some people say and there is some issue with bile. It will damage the liver or put crazy pressure on kidneys..
Btw I am looking on that EGCG from life extension vs Now foods yeah life extension has basically 100% more EGCG per capsule. So I would take just half a capsule if I decide to take it. For sure I wouldn't start first dose with 400mg EGCG..

Yeah but its not about the percentages, I take anywhere from 200-1000mg of EGCG from the now foods EGCG. The heisnberg just guy said the Now foods one is way weaker than the life extension not based on the percentages of EGCG it is per capsule.

So if I compare the life extension one with the Now one, the Now foods colour is much more pale than the life extension one so its to do with the polyphenol content I think. I would not recommend you to take the life extension one if you have liver/bile issues.

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 I did liver flushes, coffe enemas and everything you can think that is good for bile flow. No change.. Also my adrenals are really bad. For sure I can't handle coffee. Maybe even what is in EGCG would mess me up..

Well if you can't handle coffee it means you're copper toxic, I was gonna ask you that. But you'll find on hg7 you'll be able to handle coffee again without issues thats one thing it fixes.

Yeah if you are high copper then you will be sensitive to EGCG.

Also what do you drink for drinking water? I saw you wrote on here about boiling kettle water, do you use that for cooking? Shouldn't be using tap water for cooking, if you are that just makes you copper toxic.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 I drink filtered and tap water. I like more tap water that has more calcium in it. Don't know if it is high in copper..
I will look up some testing strips for fish tank water or something..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 I drink filtered and tap water. I like more tap water that has more calcium in it. Don't know if it is high in copper..
I will look up some testing strips for fish tank water or something..

Tap water is really bad you are just fluoridating yourself and probably making yourself copper toxic. Flouride with copper is a really bad combo because it makes the copper not usable by the body so you just end up storing it and becoming copper toxic.

Most water filters don't filter out the heavy metals unless you have like a reverse osmosis or carbon filter.

Bottled spring water is so much better for you, the microplastics are not a concern believe me I've tried all types of water and filters.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 no fluoride in tap water in Czech Republic

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 no fluoride in tap water in Czech Republic

Your pipes are copper or something else? Also not just copper in water, Wilson on tap water:

Disadvantages of tap water. These include contamination with metals and toxic chemicals, and the addition of more toxic chemicals used to sanitize the water. Among the contaminants are small quantities of toxic metals and hundreds of toxic chemicals depending on the location. Another important contaminant is the residue from dozens of medical pharmaceutical drugs. These are explained in the sections below:



Excessive toxic metals. Many city water supplies, especially wells, contain some excessive amounts toxic metals or toxic amounts or forms of other minerals. Common toxic metals include arsenic and lead, which are found in many pesticides and herbicides and find their way into the wells and other water supplies. At times, these are difficult to remove from large amounts of water, so they are just left there even if the water violates environmental standards, especially in poorer nations.

Other minerals that often contaminate drinking water include too much iron, manganese, boron and copper depending on the location.

One way to remove some of these easily is to let a pitcher or pot full of tap water sit for a day and some of the metals will settle to the bottom of the pot. You can then pour off the water, leaving most of the minerals in the bottom of the pot. You may lose some beneficial minerals this way, but it is one way to remove some toxic metals, as well.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 I know tap water is not ideal, but you can't compare tap water in USA and Czech Rep. We have much better water.. But I will try to drink just filtered water from now on.
Btw what I find really interesting that on first page of HG7 the creator when he mentions symptoms there are hardly any that look like hypothyroid or adrenal fatigue..
That makes sense. Since he probably never experienced the last stages of burnout. He always had elevated copper, aldosterone and stress hormones and estrogen. But I am the opposite.. Most of the people who do good on it have hardly any serious issues like me with cardiovascular system, collagen etc.. People who do like Admiral ended up with neuropathy for example..
I think I will try some time without zinc now and will try to do something with my bile flow.. Maybe I should continue TUDCA. Expensive, but only thing that lowered liver enzymes to ref. range..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 I know tap water is not ideal, but you can't compare tap water in USA and Czech Rep. We have much better water.. But I will try to drink just filtered water from now on.
Btw what I find really interesting that on first page of HG7 the creator when he mentions symptoms there are hardly any that look like hypothyroid or adrenal fatigue..
That makes sense. Since he probably never experienced the last stages of burnout. He always had elevated copper, aldosterone and stress hormones and estrogen. But I am the opposite.. Most of the people who do good on it have hardly any serious issues like me with cardiovascular system, collagen etc.. People who do like Admiral ended up with neuropathy for example..
I think I will try some time without zinc now and will try to do something with my bile flow.. Maybe I should continue TUDCA. Expensive, but only thing that lowered liver enzymes to ref. range..

The water is still going through pipes with lead and copper and stuff so unless you live in the mountains I don't think tap water is good to drink anywhere. Like if you're interested in health and fixing your health, drinking good quality water is an essential and something you should already doing. If you have a fridge water filter or one of those brita jug water filters those both don't really do much about getting bad stuff out of the water all they do really is make the water taste better.

TUDCA is not helpful imo, I did it with hg7 and it slowed down my bile and stools went paler. GB-3 or ox bile much better to use and didn't slow down my bile on hg7.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 "one of those brita jug water filters those both don't really do much about getting bad stuff out of the water all they do really is make the water taste better."
That is not true. It pulls most of the garbage out. I aksed chatGPT with the specific model and filter I have.That's why I actually don't like the taste it is like distilled water with no minerals. But I will use it or buy bottled water that tastes good to me..
TUDCA stops excessive apoptosis of liver cells = lowers liver enzymes. Ox bile/bile salts did completely nothing for me.

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 ordered the life extension EGCG, because I was ordering on that website 10mg biotin capsules and they didn't have the EGCG from now foods. So at least I will try it and can compare it as next time will order from now foods.. I hope that when I will start with half a capsule there will be no problems. People ingest more with drinking macha tea so...
Just don't know if I need to take it together. Like B5 has the same transport in the gut as biotin so it doesn't make sense to me take them together, but what makes sense b5 with breakfast and biotin with dinner.. Also EGCG with zinc or molybdenum. I think when you take them together they bind together already in the gut..
So will try just with egcg with breakfast and zinc with lunch, molybdenum with dinner. Hopefully once some symptoms will come up I can figure out what is the cause and adjust how I am taking it to feel ok all the time..
The most important thing is to feel high iron/copper from taking EGCG so I can take all the copper antagonists. If that doesn't happen it will not work for me..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 "one of those brita jug water filters those both don't really do much about getting bad stuff out of the water all they do really is make the water taste better."
That is not true. It pulls most of the garbage out. I aksed chatGPT with the specific model and filter I have.That's why I actually don't like the taste it is like distilled water with no minerals. But I will use it or buy bottled water that tastes good to me..
TUDCA stops excessive apoptosis of liver cells = lowers liver enzymes. Ox bile/bile salts did completely nothing for me.

Its true everyone says this that the jug water filters really don't filter out much of the bad stuff their main purpose is to make the water taste better but believe chatgpt if you want to...

Brita filters only remove chlorine, some PFAS and VOCs (things that make water smell/taste funny).

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 ordered the life extension EGCG, because I was ordering on that website 10mg biotin capsules and they didn't have the EGCG from now foods. So at least I will try it and can compare it as next time will order from now foods.. I hope that when I will start with half a capsule there will be no problems. People ingest more with drinking macha tea so...
Just don't know if I need to take it together. Like B5 has the same transport in the gut as biotin so it doesn't make sense to me take them together, but what makes sense b5 with breakfast and biotin with dinner.. Also EGCG with zinc or molybdenum. I think when you take them together they bind together already in the gut..
So will try just with egcg with breakfast and zinc with lunch, molybdenum with dinner. Hopefully once some symptoms will come up I can figure out what is the cause and adjust how I am taking it to feel ok all the time..
The most important thing is to feel high iron/copper from taking EGCG so I can take all the copper antagonists. If that doesn't happen it will not work for me..

Take it all together, if you don't know what you're doing then you'll mess up individually. And I do agree they can have a combined effect when taken all together so it is different to taking individually. But yeah EGCG is fine to take on its own first

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22
At first I really want to know how EGCG feels on its own. Jacob also learned about all this at first by taking everything individually..
Will see. Hopefully you will be here to help me out hehe. It would be great if more people come here from ex Ray Peat forum..

ChatGPT says the stack can be taken at once, but only zinc should be taken separately. So if I take everything but zinc with breakfast for example and zinc with dinner or lunch is that ok? Some people say EGCG binds to zinc. Some people say it helps absorption. heh

 

[Yura]

@Fazed22 there seems to be huge difference in how you take EGCG with or without food and if that food has iron..
Interesting that nobody is talking about this on lowtoxinforum. Nobody is talking about how to take it if on empty stomach or with food and if with food what kind of food.
Taking 4000mg of EGCG on empty stomach will have completely different effect than taking it with big steak and some grains where is a lot of heme and non heme iron..
So if my goal is to take egcg fo chelation of metals that are already in the body not just blocking what I could absorb from a meal it should be taken on empty stomach...?
Why Jacob is not talking about it at all?

 

[Yura]

For some reason I can't copy here stuff from Grok/chatGPT but you can ask about this yourself..
Anyways maybe if you take that crazy dose like 3-4000mg of EGCG you still absorb decent amount even with food that has iron. But in my case if I want to take just 400mg I would need to take it away from foods with iron that's for sure..

 

[Fazed22]

@Fazed22 there seems to be huge difference in how you take EGCG with or without food and if that food has iron..
Interesting that nobody is talking about this on lowtoxinforum. Nobody is talking about how to take it if on empty stomach or with food and if with food what kind of food.
Taking 4000mg of EGCG on empty stomach will have completely different effect than taking it with big steak and some grains where is a lot of heme and non heme iron..
So if my goal is to take egcg fo chelation of metals that are already in the body not just blocking what I could absorb from a meal it should be taken on empty stomach...?
Why Jacob is not talking about it at all?

You're overanalysing things without having tried it, if you take the 7 things all together it causes a bile dump which is why it gives people bad nausea, taking it with food still causes the bile dump but you have the food to soak up the bile released.

I've found if I eat lots of high iron foods like lots of bread and stuff then yeah the egcg is good for lowering the iron that I've eaten.