ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

Yura

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People change opinions I don't blame him. He was also saying everyone is copper deficient and years later that everyone is slow oxidizer therefore copper toxic. I think it is good change mind. The worst people are those who don't change their opinion ever. Just so they don't admit they were wrong their whole life for example. It is hard pill to swallow for sure.. You see it mostly in diet groups like vegans, carnivores, keto etc..
 

esp90

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How would we use ChatGPT to better our health? Feed it bloodtest results or give it symptoms or what?
lmao yeah
after i got that venous blood draw as well (the post he was referencing) he never responded, and the test didn't help me at all

also he said this random shit in that mega post


when i was doing this before, my first test in late 2017 vs early 2020 - the one in 2020 was WAY more balanced than the one in 2017 and i felt healthier.
now retesting in 2025 its not as balanced as 2020 but still much better than 2017.
also, i went from 3 lows in 2017 to pretty much the first 4 macros in the ideal range (maybe calcium slightly lower)

2017 HT:
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2020 HT:
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So idk. I think he had a lot of mood swings and liked to argue random points.

I think now days chatGPT is a really good knowledge source on it, and with it we don't have to follow ARL or TEI recs directly - and we can possibly take less, safer and cheaper supplements to achieve balance too.
 

esp90

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People change opinions I don't blame him. He was also saying everyone is copper deficient and years later that everyone is slow oxidizer therefore copper toxic. I think it is good change mind. The worst people are those who don't change their opinion ever. Just so they don't admit they were wrong their whole life for example. It is hard pill to swallow for sure.. You see it mostly in diet groups like vegans, carnivores, keto etc..
You can change opinion but results from program are results regardless of opinion, so if he said the truth and not just spitting lies because he was in a bad mood that day then results from arl/TEI is bad because thats what the post said, even if he changed his mind because now he understand the program. He said results were bad short and longterm. So either he was lying or the program sucks
 

Yura

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I uploaded my HTMA PDF into chat GPT and he recommended some supplements and would add beef liver and cod liver oil. WHen I said to him that I was doing root cause protocol so I was probably vit A toxic already he turned 180 obviously. When I said now I am 7years low vit A he thinks I run low so I should do vit A again. I said I will do blood test next week so he said don't take any vit A until you have a blood test. :D So you see he recommends something, but if he doesn't have the whole story he could recommend stuff that is not ideal for you which makes sense right.. Well and same goes for HTMA. THey have no idea if I am not vit A toxic or whatever else could be happening..
Btw what I don't understand on second test basically only my sodium completely crashed. Which means adrenals are dead and the only change basically ARL did was increasing manganese a lot. Like yes we know manganese increases sodium on a hair test, but how it can fix adrenals? Like if my bile flow is low I would accumulate all that manganese and get even more sick? Who else recommends manganese for adrenal burnout? I don't know about anyone who is focusing on this element when it comes to adrenals..? Maybe adrenals need that manganese and ARL knows more than most people?
 

ruprmurdoch

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U thinki chatgpt have uploaded TEI or ARL algorithms and can make recommendations ? for my perpective is quite impossible right now
 

Aleksandr

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How would we use ChatGPT to better our health? Feed it bloodtest results or give it symptoms or what?
Do you use it generally? Also @Yura , it's just a tool and it's only as good as you know how to treat it. It has certain bias and will generally go with the flow.

You can upload a jpg screenshot of your htma results and ask it for a 3 month HTMA supplemenent protocol, one from the ARL pov and one from the Trace Elements pov. You can keep correcting it and asking more questions but see what it says first before you bring in more variables (i.e. if you start saying you won't take vit A, or if you upload more bloodtest results) because it will generally agree with you. There's also AI hallucinations where it gets things wrong so good to cross check it with the actual ARL supps advice.
 

Aleksandr

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U thinki chatgpt have uploaded TEI or ARL algorithms and can make recommendations ? for my perpective is quite impossible right now
It knows a lot, but probably not the full algorithms. If you imagine all the info on the internet, it has a lot to piece together!
 

Yura

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Yeah I use chatGPT a lot recently. Btw he said that ARL by giving copper is more aggressive approach pushing slow oxidizers to stimulate adrenals more to detox more and TEI is the opposite more safe approach. Interesting that everyone else here says that ARL is playing it safe, but takes it longer..
What is safe for each individual is different. I would like to see from ARL or TEI for example not just that you can pick some health issue symptoms that you have in the paper you send them, but also to fill key points like if you feel relaxed and you can 100% push your body with detox or vise versa that you are stressed from work, taking care of old parent or whatever and you simply can't push your body now. Or if your bile is working, also blood work should be included so they can add to their algorithm if liver enzymes/ kidney markers are already elevated, if thyroid panel, iron panel, vit A test all those things if it was requirement to fill so the algorithm can spit out really good protocol I would trust it much more. But their work is based only on what they see in HTMA results and that is really poor data.. Where like I said I don't think they even considered possibility for example that someone has high calcium form vit A overload.. Not just copper or slow oxidizer pattern increases calcium.. etc.. Not to mention like I said I have hard water that I use to wash my hair with. So it can artificially increase cal/mag as well for example..
Like I said before it is a shame that nobody works on improving HTMA by making it more complex where it works with blood work(lets say it would need 5 blood tests during the hair was growing so it is not just one blood test that can be false etc..) there is so much that can be done..
Maybe they just wait until AI will be that good that it will do the job for them. I think it is very possible. Can imagine within couple of years you plug all your data into chatGPT and you will get insanely detailed protocol for your body that no practitioner could came up with..
 
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