ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[noprop]

bulgarians got the highest centarian rate.. their diet is based on LOTS of raw soured milk(they just let fresh milk sour at room temp), whole grains, vegetables. Very similar to Hunza diet.

Raw soured milk is good.
Even high quality milk is full of hormones. Milk (pasteurisé) is giving nothing except can.and prostate issues.
But feel free to eat and drink.
Some RDA are too low, no question.
So, you need testing if you want to know if to optimize vits/aminos/ minerals...

In order to stay healthy, you must do a lot nowadays. See my posts re gut, inflammation, detoxing, oxygentherapy, ozontherapy...

It is known that Elite people like Al Gore are vegan.

Beside vits etc. I recommend EGCG, EPITHALON and LDN or doing sports in order to get hyperthermia and endorphins.

 

[Yura]

@supernature what you eating for calcium? I wonder how much calcium is in whey protein. If I eat like 70g a day.

 

[supernature]

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[gar0u87]

@supernature and others I wonder what process of hydrolysis (enzyme, time) they use that they get a 90% of free aminoacids in dh32? Since di and tripeptides are absorbed at a x3 rate compared to ffAA would the kinetics be appropiate for what we want to achieve ? or counterproductive? #brng proto whey #high DH high peptide hydrolized wheys. They have their own transporter in the gut and bypass the liver... maybe gbolduev could chime in. Wouldnt this product achieve what we want? In any case i havent seen a product like DH32 before, can anyone xplain how its mostly entirely AA's from whey and not just some mix of aminoacids lol. I would want to pul the trigger on this one but i dont trust the label

 

[gar0u87]

Stackry.com this is the forwarder from the usa i use, good prices, lets you cheat on custom delcarations, dont send boxes over 15lbs tho and use dhl.


So i took some time and worked outsome products that meet my criteria for quality and price. its a bit of a mess just some products and ideas throwed around for people to develope on them later:


Food combining.

Marinate / drawn in milk meats before consuming them to reduce disruption to the stomach when they are consumed with carbs.

Swanson kyoto chlorella pills 1-3 grams (a lot of tiny tea pills) in each meal, for the chlorophyll and heavy metal aglutinating potential (gbolduev coments to mix with a specific type of silica, alginate)

waxy potato starch in flakes or dehydrated for its butyrate production propertys ( 20% typicaly of RS, even tho they claim otherwise) ... whatever you can find even tho we aim for ecological sources for everyday use.

Pepsin , highest potency possible, i bought from ISOGEN based in europe... real cheap the bottle will last for a couple of generations / decades.

Pancreatin.... i've yet have to figure a source i like of this one.

Dehydrate coconut electroylets, as a base for all these enzymes aminoacids, helps by its own. Whatever product that is local to you to keep shipping costs down. Every meal.

Tinkering with the final mix to achieve the PH desired. and use additional magnesium for bile formation as it can be a limiting factor, it has to be an specific form i dont have the study or the name at hand.... ill have to come back to this one.
+ the typical trisalts + maybe some potassium citrate on its own

Bromelain ( lipase) --> i havent worked out a product i like yet.

https://www.amazon.com/D-Lactate-Fr...8&qid=1525798754&sr=1-4&keywords=lactate+free -> Lactate free probiotic. this goes well along whey on an empty stomach, would have to substain two weeks without being refrigerated, it cant be obtained any other way sadly.

https://www.amazon.com/Master-Patte...798655&sr=8-2&keywords=map+pattern+amino+acid
-> to improve nitrogen retention and use between meals.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GW62JYG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_13?smid=A8MA32QEVO3GI&psc=1 ->L-Lysine HCL Powder ( Catalytic triad)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0010YXFES/ref=ox_sc_act_title_11?smid=A23URHJ0159DIY&psc=1 ->Beverly International Mass Aminos 500 tabs
quality is OK'ish? In any case i havent seen another product quite like this. Cheap, good quantity even when compared to powders. Improve nitrogen retention ratio. Is just some custom hydro capped together. Poor mans MAP.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MTLG2HR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_14?smid=A2CXYOV1GSSB5W&psc=1 -> L-serine hcl (C.T)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GGZFWKG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_15?smid=A8MA32QEVO3GI&th=1-> L-Histidine HCL Powder (C.T)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00K332HCS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_17?smid=A1L4JWVBJ4SBFW&psc=1->trypsin 1:100 (Catalytic tryad)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GW6L1Z4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_16?smid=A8MA32QEVO3GI&th=1 -> betaine hcl (Maybe with TMG depending on food)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GW62JYG/ref=ox_sc_act_title_13?smid=A8MA32QEVO3GI&th=1 -> l-aspartic acid (C.T)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006O2D7DA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?smid=A740021XAKLLN&psc=1-> amylase

Glutamine (C.T) -> whatever product that comes from reliable sources like swanson nutrabio etc

https://www.ebay.es/itm/ZUCCARI-6x-...tata-Antiossidante-Energizzante/322298044145?
_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D9833ce153e954675a5810506f9a1e10f%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D162884771887%26itm%3D322298044145&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A5c5d7263-52e0-11e8-a9d0-74dbd180a013%7Cparentrq%3A40ac420e1630a860dd63a6fdfff94769%7Ciid%3A1 -> good affordable fermemted papaya granules in sticks / europe sourced. It is extraordinarily high doses, even tho i dont know how this would compared to fermemnted papaya seed.
It could be complimented with some cheap quercetin for synergy and mast cell stabilization.

https://es.iherb.com/pr/Garden-of-L...gest-Tropical-Fruit-Flavor-90-Chewables/64453 -> a well rounded chewable

Taurine and glycine i think is better to get it from more reliable sources like nutrabio or swanson ajipure in case you want to add them. I havent figured out its place on the protocol yet. I ignore the basis of this recommendation. Any help?

Maybe 2-3 glutamine after meals are completed if you are wary of gut lining degradation, and tyrosine(?) like yura mentioned, again i dont know the basis of this recommendation.. ill have to re read gblduev.


Other ideas, de lactated goat milk yogurt with helveticus bacteria and other specific yogurt resistant strain...ill come back to this one.

... Bimuno (transGOS).. Inulin product (to compliment with inulin food). pectin . guargum. glucomanan. fermented fruit concentrates like dr. nietker. I had a protocol for this one that included bimuno and proteolytic enzymes.minus the pectin and inulin, in their correct ratios... ill come back this
when i find my notes.

Egg based lecithin for colesterol and bile production ( it could affect the absorption of others foods, in the way catechins flavonols etc do)

 

[gar0u87]

Based on my experience with dhl and stackry rates, for those who live in europe i would say for 7 00 euros, once in a year investment, you have 50 euros worth of protocol a month, from the highest quality sources possible, being a bit conservative with the papaya ferment and the lactate (keeping it for gym days). It doesnt work out so bad, if this is going to be the axis of our nutritiona around meals, i think its worth go an extra mile to make sure you have all of this around and digest the food that already is not cheap by its own.

 

[supernature]

I wonder what process of hydrolysis (enzyme, time) they use that they get a 90% of free aminoacids in dh32? Since di and tripeptides are absorbed at a x3 rate compared to ffAA would the kinetics be appropiate for what we want to achieve ? or counterproductive

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[artemis]

one very sick guy, toothless, hairless in a wheelchair told his friends to take him into the forest and leave him there to die.
after a few days in the forest he changed his mind about dying, but he could not leave the forest because he was deep in the forest left on its own
he began eating the wild green herbs around himself... so basically he fasted on wild herbs and this went for weeks and as a result, he regrew all his teeth, hair and left the forest on his now perfectly working legs/body...

LOL. What is this, bedtime story time? Can we please keep posts in the realm of reality?

 

[supernature]

bulgarians got the highest centarian rate.. their diet is based on LOTS of raw soured milk(they just let fresh milk sour at room temp), whole grains, vegetables. Very similar to Hunza diet.

one very sick guy, toothless, hairless in a wheelchair told his friends to take him into the forest and leave him there to die.
after a few days in the forest he changed his mind about dying, but he could not leave the forest because he was deep in the forest left on its own
he began eating the wild green herbs around himself... so basically he fasted on wild herbs and this went for weeks and as a result, he regrew all his teeth, hair and left the forest on his now perfectly working legs/body...

i wish i knew what grass(es) he ate... wild herbs are powerful healers

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[HerrFisch]

Currently testing zinc + manganese, completely stops the MPB itch and less hair loss. The problem is that this combo is castrating me, zero libido and lifeless dick.
I recall the cause was explained somewhere on this forum, but I can't seem to find it anymore.

Any help?

How long are you on it? I think if you wait for some time, it will come back.

 

[Ingeno]

@HerrFisch For about 2 weeks now. I'm playing with the dosage, but can't seem to get it right. Used Finasteride 2,5 years ago for a couple of months. Since quitting always tired, low energy, low libido, brain fog, some fat gain in mid section, no strength progression in the gym and hardly any muscle gain.

 

[HerrFisch]

@Ingeno

How much zinc and manganese ?

 

[Ingeno]

8mg Manganese bisglycinate + 30-35mg elemental Zinc-methionine

 

[HerrFisch]

If you get problems with libido, I would try 2:1 Zinc, manganese. So 30mg zinc and 15mg manganese.
Manganese uptake can be really low in males.

Just a suggestion though, Im not a Dr.

 

[Ingeno]

I might try that, thanks. But there where more members having the same castration feeling and there was an explanation for it, maybe low histidine. Anyway maybe someone recalls it.

 

[Ingeno]

@m_arch




@m_arch I like that you are trying to get it figured out from the hairtests etc. but trust me I know hairtests in and out, and all ARL and TE programs and approaches and tested all this for years. Be careful with this. The main problem is potassium regulation mistake in those programs. after that mistake everything just falls apart. Thus after years of seeing people on these programs and I am a practitioner to both ARL and TE, I don't rec people to be on those programs. I only would understand being on any program like that, if it really could balance your ratios. I HAVE NEVER SEEN BALANCED HAIRTEST On those programs. If you showed me a hairtest that would have perfect ratios and values on it, I would admit that it is good approach

As I mentioned before that I would rec ARL and TE for a very short time in critical cases, just for a chance to adjust the PH.

this is why TE and ARL programs simply don't work and make you older, since they mostly concentrate on minerals and some vitamins.( a few) They did not have proper interactions since the programs were made 40 years ago.

So one more time be careful with putting minerals into your body using their recs. It does move the one ratio in the needed direction, but it screws up other things, since that minerals that they are using to move the ratio is not needed and the mutation is in the amino acid part of the enzyme.

This is why they make up all those excuses for a not balanced hairtest. I think if the program is correct, it should balance you into perfect oxidation rate within a month. may be even 2 weeks. and then when you test hair. You should have ideal perfect 4 electrolytes at least. NEVER EVER SEEN on their programs.

People take their program for 2 years, and stay in 4 lows. Or take their program for 2 years and stay in very slow oxidation. ARL tells you that you are rebuilding , but you are getting worse and worse. your liver is just full of not needed minerals , since there are no needed aminos to even bind them

But when you take the program you feel a little better, that is since you force the enzyme using the minerals and once this mineral is constantly very high in your blood, this enzyme goes a little faster, but in 2 years it will slowly just die from congested liver

@Helen, I have been reading some older posts from you to refresh my memory and I saw this one above, did you change your view about TEI? Reading the above post it seems you didn't like TEI back then, I am in four lows (hair test in signature) and ordered the supplements, but reading above it seems I can fuck myself up even more.

 

[Admiral]

@Helen, I have been reading some older posts from you to refresh my memory and I saw this one above, did you change your view about TEI? Reading the above post it seems you didn't like TEI back then, I am in four lows (hair test in signature) and ordered the supplements, but reading above it seems I can fuck myself up even more.

Yeah Helen is contradicting himself there. Would like to hear his views on this!

 

[bruschi11]

My understanding of “Gbold 101” when I read nearly every one of his words a year ago as this site got going really does contradict TEI ARL. Constant flooding of vitamins, minerals into the body via supplement form isn’t what he liked a year ago.

I totally get short time tei, ARL runs. Move stuff in correct direction and correct ph.

Or even using ARL, tei as multivitamins once or twice weekly. Gbold “take multivitamin once a week.”

Some guys will do great with it daily. And run it just as program says. Some work well in other situations.

I deal with ammonia from mycoplasma die off and mercury chelation when I run these programs. The severity of the ammonia, mercury in my system causes major neurological issues along with gut issues where I become horribly constipated which leads to far worse brain issues.

Organs can’t detox the strength of the system that tei /arl create.

This is not saying these are genius programs. I think they are genius. Making body strong enough to combat disease and toxicities at all costs. This is “the power of the electrolyte” at its finest- this is what TEI / arl does.

But some people if not majority are in situations where they need to tinker with these programs. To make it the best for their own self.

Until I am 100% I will do a quarterly hair test. And use HTMA to my advantage undoubtedly with supplementation. But I can’t look at tei or ARL as my cure. At least just yet. Lot of work to do before then. And likely when I’m there, I’ll use in my best way fit for myself.

 

[Helen]

I misunderstood their program, I contacted TEI and the explained it to me. It is not a balancing company. I understand now what they do for potassium regulation, they are doing correct things.

 

[Ingeno]

Thanks @Helen for the clarification.