FINASTERIDE SIGNIFICANTLY UPREGULATES ANDROGEN RECEPTOR in this study ( PROTOCOLS and discussions for PFS)

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Yeah, bud. It is very possible you could have burnt out your NO system before even taking fin.

Minox people are the same. they have no NO. and then they take minox which is nitric oxide, and then they downregulated it even further and when they quit. Boom. they lose all their hairs very fast, faster then if they never took minox.

@Helen what would you recommend to someone who's NO system appears to be messed up due to Minox? (I never took Fin).
 

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i feel like var from russion star is no doubt legit, but you cant be too careful
 

noprop

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Our AR upregulated. Okay. I have researched a bit how to downregulate.
If you get supraphysiological levels of testo, no downregulation.
But if you decrease your testolevel massively and increases from there to normal levels, downregulation (downsentisizing) can occur.
So re a treatment: what about taking Prof first, and then testo to increase fast that level? @Helen: you mentioned doing both at the same time?
Is cycling Ru that Mechanismus? Bringing down testolevels and then uprising them to desentisize?
 

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Our AR upregulated. Okay. I have researched a bit how to downregulate.
If you get supraphysiological levels of testo, no downregulation.
But if you decrease your testolevel massively and increases from there to normal levels, downregulation (downsentisizing) can occur.
So re a treatment: what about taking Prof first, and then testo to increase fast that level? @Helen: you mentioned doing both at the same time?
Is cycling Ru that Mechanismus? Bringing down testolevels and then uprising them to desentisize?

There is creditability to that since @joekool is running low test and is showing signs of downregulation and improved symptoms
 

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Does Ella downregulate receptors? Is that why it works well (at least short term). I think the effects of Ella have finally worn off on me, unfortunately.
 

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Does Ella downregulate receptors? Is that why it works well (at least short term). I think the effects of Ella have finally worn off on me, unfortunately.

I think Ella helps make prog receptors more sensitive to prog maybe through direct downregulation of those receptors which indirectly affects the adrogen receptors... why it's temporary? Hard to say
 

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There is creditability to that since @joekool is running low test and is showing signs of downregulation and improved symptoms
So, his body is intelligent. I had above range levels first, awful. Now low levels AS well. Feel much better. I should decrease further.
 

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I think Ella helps make prog receptors more sensitive to prog maybe through direct downregulation of those receptors which indirectly affects the adrogen receptors... why it's temporary? Hard to say
I think we need to decrease testo levels for a longer period. 4-7 months and then increase it slowly. The way around took the same time. Upsentisizing from dht starvation.
Does Prog reduce testo and dht levels?
Or soy? Soy could be interesting.
 

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I think we need to decrease testo levels for a longer period. 4-7 months and then increase it slowly. The way around took the same time. Upsentisizing from dht starvation.
Does Prog reduce testo and dht levels?
Or soy? Soy could be interesting.


stay away from soy its just estrogenic... so it wont do shit for you. prog will, but im not sure if prog would work the same way. i think you have to inject very small doses of test via injections to shut down your actual production of test then replace it with low levels. he is doing a protocol that was outlined for those suffering from deca dick permanently which is a similar phenomena
 

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Okay, I got the solution.
I compared all recoveries in a protocol.
All have common: reducing of testo/dht.
BUT: doing this protocol over several months.

Protocol interm.fasting: cured sexual sides. He did for one year. Water fast included. Brings testo/dht down.
You need doing it several times! Carboloading raises testo. Thats the clue. Cdnuts idea!
Protocol dexa: brings androgens down: he did this for several months AS well.
Tomatoe juice protocol: brings dht and testo down after fapping. Massively. Thats the point. So you need to get testo to the maximum level and fap and the decrease is enorm. Then uprising from then is the clue I think.
Here you are - just do it.
 

noprop

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stay away from soy its just estrogenic... so it wont do shit for you. prog will, but im not sure if prog would work the same way. i think you have to inject very small doses of test via injections to shut down your actual production of test then replace it with low levels. he is doing a protocol that was outlined for those suffering from deca dick permanently which is a similar phenomena
Who is he? What is deca dick?
Injection okay, but how do you increase then testo slowly? By stopping injections and waiting for the body to produce again? Interesting. Any protocol out there or link?
 

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Who is he? What is deca dick?
Injection okay, but how do you increase then testo slowly? By stopping injections and waiting for the body to produce again? Interesting. Any protocol out there or link?

@joekool is doing the deca Dick protocol. deca dick is when you take the nandrolone steroid known as Deca and basically get PFS from it... too much info to type about it so thats the high level jist of it lol

he is taking 100mg of test enanthate a week and cycles prog too..

im sure he can tell you more about it and point you to where he found this experiment with cures in deca dick
 

noprop

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@joekool is doing the deca Dick protocol. deca dick is when you take the nandrolone steroid known as Deca and basically get PFS from it... too much info to type about it so thats the high level jist of it lol

he is taking 100mg of test enanthate a week and cycles prog too..

im sure he can tell you more about it and point you to where he found this experiment with cures in deca dick
Many thx. Meanwhile I researched a bit and found a Website. Yeah, this protocol sounds familiar.
@joekool is absolutely great. I will contact him.