Yura log

[Yura]

Just had 2mg of copper glycine. To see how it feels in comparison with food that has copper.. If I don't notice any negative I will keep taking that 2mg pill a day like 1 or two weeks without any zinc and at that point I will do new blood test.. If my ceruloplasmin jumps with copper I would be pissed on myself like crazy that I should do that 8 years ago LOL. I mean I was never taking copper from supplements. For sure not last 10 years. It was nothing but copper antagonists. I had bottle of copper pills, but I was so scared to take it. I tried maybe 1 pill and I threw it in the trash. Now when I was ordering new supps I was like hm that copper is cheap so I ordered one gain hahaha. I mean What can I lose at this point.. Maybe it will really help LOL. Maybe Beef liver was bad idea not because of copper, but because all the excess of vit A and maybe I can't absorb much copper from foods like buckwheat and maybe that's why when I started eating bioavailable copper from sea food that ihas no excess of retinol my bile flow worked great..
Or maybe I will just drop dead who knows. lol

 

[RebelWithACause]

I'd watch out with it bro. Keep a log and don't overdo it. Copper is kind of insidious where you feel better sometimes taking it but long term you get worse. But then you also have guys like Douglas Ek who completely tanked their copper and they also feel like shit. Only in that case it works properly and he was also able to take liver and a lot of iron.

 

[Yura]

It sucks nobody here was able to tell me why is my estradiol almost deficient if I am toxic in copper. Is the body able to lower estradiol on purpose so it will not absorb even more copper?
It is hard to not try copper pills when you see ALL the markers of deficiency except my kidney and liver markers elevated. Maybe they are elevated because copper is low=bile is low so toxins are stack in the liver..? Helen said there will be no bile flow without copper and vise versa taking loads of zinc/manganese pale stool...
I mean If I took my blood results from last 10 blood tests and went to the hospital they would give me copper 100%. Low serum copper, low ceruloplasmin, low estradiol, low WBC, low neutrophils, Even Dr.House would put me on copper lol.
Anyways I read everywhere that if low copper is the root cause taking some moderate dose 2-4mg for couple of days and stopping zinc should make obvious positive changes. So like I said will try it for couple of days and will see..

 

[RebelWithACause]

It sucks nobody here was able to tell me why is my estradil almost deficient if I am toxic in copper. Is the body able to lower estradiol on purpose so it will not absorb even more copper?
It is hard to not try copper pills when you see ALL the markers of deficiency except my kidney and liver markers elevated. Maybe they are elevated because copper is low=bile is low so toxins are stack in the liver..? Helen said there will be no bile flow without copper and vise versa taking loads of zinc/manganese pale stool...
I mean If I took my blood results from last 10 blood tests and went to the hospital they would give me copper 100%. Low serum copper, low ceruloplasmin, low estradiol, low WBC, low neutrophils. Even Dr.Hous would put me on copper lol.

I also noticed when I was ramming in the zinc/manganese my stool got light. Little bile. But this can be temporary too. Just stop the zinc/etc. supps and eat a normal diet and you'll notice copper increase slowly again. No need to take extra copper unless you eat 0% copper in your diet which most people don't.

Low serum copper, low ceruloplasmin, low estradiol, etc. is slow oxidizer. Just watch your symptoms while doing this and see what happens. Copper also increases calcium retention so if you have a calcium shell you get more calcified. Aren't you a slow oxidizer?

Not saying it's always wrong to take copper. I remember another guy seekinghealth on this forum he had a copper deficiency from taking high dosages of zinc/p5p for years. He felt very bad and also had little bile production. Then took copper and said he got really ripped and metabolism turned on within a few weeks. He was also taking copper for a while.

But these are extreme examples.

 

[Yura]

Well I take B complex and zinc all the time as well.. Anyways if I fuck myself up with 2mg of copper over period of 7-14 days I don't deserve to live anyways lol..

 

[RebelWithACause]

2mg is not that much so will be fine probably. Wonder if it works for you

 

[Yura]

Vit A still going strong after 7 years of low vit A lol

https://imgur.com/a/BDzoiSH

 

[zancek0]

It sucks nobody here was able to tell me why is my estradiol almost deficient if I am toxic in copper. Is the body able to lower estradiol on purpose so it will not absorb even more copper?

Helen often mentioned aldehyde overload in this context. Reasoning: since many copper-based enzymes have aldehydes as byproducts (and since estradiol is needed for ceruloplasmin which is needed to transport copper) - then the body epigenetically downregulates aromatase activity or estro receptor signalling when it is overloaded with aldehydes.

Well, maybe aldehyde overload only happens in prolonged low NADPH scenarios. Aromatase activity needs quite a lot of NADPH. Robust glut redox (needs NADPH) allows for aromatase.

 

[bruschi11]

It sucks nobody here was able to tell me why is my estradiol almost deficient if I am toxic in copper. Is the body able to lower estradiol on purpose so it will not absorb even more copper?
It is hard to not try copper pills when you see ALL the markers of deficiency except my kidney and liver markers elevated. Maybe they are elevated because copper is low=bile is low so toxins are stack in the liver..? Helen said there will be no bile flow without copper and vise versa taking loads of zinc/manganese pale stool...
I mean If I took my blood results from last 10 blood tests and went to the hospital they would give me copper 100%. Low serum copper, low ceruloplasmin, low estradiol, low WBC, low neutrophils, Even Dr.House would put me on copper lol.
Anyways I read everywhere that if low copper is the root cause taking some moderate dose 2-4mg for couple of days and stopping zinc should make obvious positive changes. So like I said will try it for couple of days and will see..

How is your testo? What’s test and e2 and what are ranges?

Do an oligoscan if you can find one. It gives a completely different perspective that the htma world the low A crowd t don’t see.

Do you have any recent htmas

 

[Yura]

@zancek0 Aldehydes overload? So I should take molybdenum? Well I think I feel good when I take some. I just don't want to lower ceruloplasmin even more..
@bruschi11 the second one is from yesterday. I still don't have copper result, but it will be the same as 2 months ago I think..

https://imgur.com/a/DsfVlvt

 

[bruschi11]

@zancek0 Aldehydes overload? So I should take molybdenum? Well I think I feel good when I take some. I just don't want to lower ceruloplasmin even more..
@bruschi11 the second one is from yesterday. I still don't have copper result, but it will be the same as 2 months ago I think..

https://imgur.com/a/DsfVlvt

I wanna See chloride and co2 in bloods. You should have them.

You’re fixable dude. I can see it.

Go get an oligoscan. Show last htma or do one. Ask dr for plasma amino acids. If you gotta do oats spend extra money do it . Leave oats for later.

If you have money you gotta do this stuff. We can figure you out. I see things here.

Give me something else to keep going for you. The low A approach isn’t it. I promise you. Strict mineral balancing isn’t either for long term guys .

Need to see Oligo to understand your system a little better. But I see things here. Nadph issues. So you aren’t moving test to e2. So you end up copper def. Then without e2 you aren’t getting to estrone so you could be going chromium def.

I think this is why b1 is such a quick fix in Parkinson’s. No test to e2 you end up with Parkinson’s eventually. Test = iron. E2 and estrone = copper / gluth recycling system.

 

[Yura]

No tests for amino acids here available.. I will do another blood test to see what does that 50mcg of T4 and after that hair test in ARL. That's it. At least until I have a job again. Can't spend more money on tests for now. Chloride is here, but co2 i don't think so..

https://imgur.com/a/cGGBREj

 

[bruschi11]

No tests for amino acids here available.. I will do another blood test to see what does that 50mcg of T4 and after that hair test in ARL. That's it. At least until I have a job again. Can't spend more money on tests for now. Chloride is here, but co2 i don't think so..

https://imgur.com/a/cGGBREj

Interesting have you ever seen serum b12?

 

[Yura]

years years ago. Elevated a lot

 

[Ingeno]

So what does high estrogen mean in relation to copper levels? For me it is really hard to go by feel when supplementing zn/mn/cu. Also because receptors may need to adjust if you've been deficient for a while and you will feel worse initially.

Coppers gives me more emotions, but also racing thoughts, insomnia eventually.

 

[Yura]

I wonder if my crazy hairloss is from B5. But I am taking only B complex + here and there 250/500mg extra and if I take that extra B5 I take 5mg of biotin as well.. Will try skip that B complex with B5 and tak only biotin.. Btw I saw on that lowtoxinforum nic Admiral that's the same guy that was here? He had the same issues with collagen ect. like me. Intersting that he is taking HG7 protocol wow.. I don't have balls or money for that. Take basically bottles of stuff a day hahaha.

 

[RebelWithACause]

If you have collagen issues most likely youre copper toxic. If you get rqcing thoughts when taking copper also copper toxic body doesnt utilise it properly and stays free in blood

 

[Yura]

I feel cold hands and feet after taking it yesterday and also that weird feeling in my head basically the same as with manganese. I am not taking those metals fuck it lol.
It just every time I start to read some stuff about how pepole fixed their issues with copper I start to think that I need to do the same thing when my issues are actually from low copper it makes sense right.. But at the same time I know that I have probably excess in the liver it just the body can't rise ceruloplasmin.. So it is just fucking with my head all the time for years..
I am just rambling and running in circles. So I will repeat what I said before. Not do anything stupid now and do the hair test..
And taking that copper was stupid for sure..

 

[Yura]

Haha omg I hate this eshop. So I ordered that histidine. I was in clumps, weird color. SO I sended it back and got this TUDCA instead. TUDCA Kyselina Tauroursodeoxycholová VALKNUT 100+20 kapslí zdarma - Valknut.cz
But the powder in that capsule has no taste at all LOL. In comparison nutricost tudca is like tasting strong bile vomit even after you drink a lot of water.. Now I am scared what is in that powder from that cheap brand heh..

 

[ruprmurdoch]

day 9 of my zn/mn combo


during days 5-7 I had white stool, but now is normal. i think that 30/20 dosage is high and liver/brain cant keep up with explusion of copper