Fighting….

[bruschi11]

Trying to hold things together. The 4andro clearly made me suicidal.

Coppper was in good place iron wasn’t. The 4 andro got me using vitamin A dumping both iron and copper.

I think my problem in past was taking 4 andro in a bad place in terms of copper and just making copper worse. Not using vit A with it. I took 4 andro almost every day all summer

Need nutrients to come first for A metaboslim then dump the iron with 4 andro.

This is what happened in my last recovery in late 2022 with dhea. Dhea made me go insane could not sleep the first night. The next day without taking it I kept feeling better then took calcium that night and felt good.

 

[bruschi11]

it’s insane how hard the 4 andro is hitting me. I took it 3pm yesterday it’s 8am now. 17 hours later here.

Chromium does seem to dump lithium. Aka the iron dumps seem to have lithium accompany them. And I needed sugar badly last night I craved ice cream like crazy and I had a shake before bed to calm me down Ray peat style. Haven’t had ice cream or much sugar lately .

This iron copper dumping prob needs inositol where I was for a few weeks there until this last week I calmed down on it. Still taking about 3mg a day not 10. Co2 is clearly down.
And with that oligoscan shows iodine not really being used well… which happens with. Iron and co2. Well iron is coming up from the 4 andro. I guess my step. Today is back to nutrients I’ve been taking with the 10g of inositol on top.

 

[zancek0]

Can I ask if you ever took any phosphorus supplement, like dipotassium phosphate or phosphoric acid (Phosfood)?
You often mention phosphorus but am curious if you ever supplemented it in forms like these?

 

[bruschi11]

Can I ask if you ever took any phosphorus supplement, like dipotassium phosphate or phosphoric acid (Phosfood)?
You often mention phosphorus but am curious if you ever supplemented it in forms like these?

Phos helped the last time it was capable in mid 2023. Now it seems I really gotta get VDR working for phos to come up.

That said. Vit D is not going in my body at all with no sun cold winter here. I just started Vit d today.

4 andro was a lot . I think it’s good and I need it for VDR and iron availability . I’m going slow with it tho. Will use again tomorrow. 1 day on 2 days off to start.

 

[bruschi11]

Yea I’m really fucked up for second night in a row and I know supps are fueling it.

Vanadium has changed things. My reactions to other supps.

Oligoscan is showing b12 high b6 low. B12 is hydrogen. B6 is carbon.

I think I gotta focus on the co2+atp + cps1 = beta alanine / orotate / uridine. And that gets lithium used . That’s not happening currently.

Boron dropping is big indication of co2 and it keeps raising. Boron fluoride lithium dropped on a no b12 approach a year ago. Might need to try again. Been taking a lot of b12 post 4 andro and it’s not helping here.

 

[bruschi11]

Yea b12 and vit D highest I’ve seen them in over a year. Vanadium inositol 4 andro (cr) fueling that.

Took 4 andro today after 2 days off. It’s fine. Maybe not strong enough. After being psycho strong the other day.

This is how my buddy described 4 andro when he recovered. Made him go nuts for a few days felt better. Then slowly cycled it over a few months.

I think we wanna run things through b12 copper vitamin A.

Still with all that said. My head feels completely shrunken . I’m in a really tough spot. If VDR starts working and I can keep copper up. I can connect fumarate and malate in the Krebs and I think this is really liver.

The situation just sucks. I know how bad my blood donation was and then the oxygen making me more anemic showing serum iron drop by early 2024 I knew I had a form of Parkinson’s dementia then very certainly.

 

[bruschi11]

Feeling extremely diabetic after 4 andro today. And anemic. And impotent. Complete asexual.

Man I feel I might just be dying. Time waits for no man. I’m ok dying I tried this is getting dumb.

 

[bruschi11]

Yea I’m ready to quit . Maybe try TRT one more time with vanadium / A etc. I dunno.

This happened in 2020. It’s not pfs. So pfs people don’t think what happened to me that this is gonna happen to you.

I ended up with both a form of diabetes and severe anemia due to the two women I worked with in 2019/2020. Lyme doctor and nutritionist.

I never fixed it. I was up and down for 3 years . But by 2023 I was in fight for my life. By 2024 it was really really bad from the psyche ward . 2025 I just destroyed myself with 4 andro I think that summer specifically was when it fully ended this past summer.

I mean it was over a long time ago.

 

[Yura]

@bruschi11 hopefully you don't go from thinking 24/7 how to fix the body and testing to killing yourself. Because I truly believe that in that "I am done. I don't give a fuck anymore. I will just lay there and eat junk and waiting to die" period some miracle really can happen.. It wouldn't be a first case.. Hear it all the time in health recovery space..
So far your body doesn't have any time to truly relax. I am on the same boat just for different reasons. Because I live in place where I simply can't just relax.
But I will change it this year hopefully. I would have to work hard to be able to live on my own, but at least when I come home from work. I can truly just relax.
In your case your body can't relax because of what is going on in your head 24/7. It is impossible for your body to be in rest and digest mode..
Morley Robbins is crazy dude who is talking a lot of nonsense, but in one thing he is spot on the fact that if you are under stress, fear, worry emotions. You will never balance your biochemistry. You can do HTMA, oligoscans, blood work all day every day and take pills left and right, but it will fix nothing if your body is in survival mode due to what you are thinking...

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 hopefully you don't go from thinking 24/7 how to fix the body and testing to killing yourself. Because I truly believe that in that "I am done. I don't give a fuck anymore. I will just lay there and eat junk and waiting to die" period some miracle really can happen.. It wouldn't be a first case.. Hear it all the time in health recovery space..
So far your body doesn't have any time to truly relax. I am on the same boat just for different reasons. Because I live in place where I simply can't just relax.
But I will change it this year hopefully. I would have to work hard to be able to live on my own, but at least when I come home from work. I can truly just relax.
In your case your body can't relax because of what is going on in your head 24/7. It is impossible for your body to be in rest and digest mode..
Morley Robbins is crazy dude who is talking a lot of nonsense, but in one thing he is spot on the fact that if you are under stress, fear, worry emotions. You will never balance your biochemistry. You can do HTMA, oligoscans, blood work all day every day and take pills left and right, but it will fix nothing if your body is in survival mode due to what you are thinking...

Craziest reaction I’ve ever had over night. One of them. I put the GHK patch on lifewave x39. While 4 andro was in me ….

My cobalt and chromium both went way up for first time ever. Cobalt went normal. Chromium from -90 to -80%.

Chromium is always between -95 and -90.

I am dealing with extreme oxidative stress and overall horridness. But I’ve done like 250 Oligoscans…. This was the only one with such drastically improved results and I’m still in midst of the reactionz

I’m just putting supplements back in. The normal ones. And brain is feeling a little better.

I’m hoping I’m really doing something right now.

I know this is basically how I healed in late 2022 . I only did 3 big things then that I’m doing now… b12, ghk patch, dhea (4 andro instead of dhea now).

I don’t need to be lectured about being mentally in a good place etc. @Yura . Like I’m 37 years old been doing this stuff for 10 years. The fist 7 years I would always bounce back and get in control . Shit happened since 2023 . I went into anemia and so began the true fight for my life. Where chemically I need to be fixed . Or I’m dying.

I’m 37 not 27. People my age get neuro diseases specifically when they get the toxicities I got (bmaa specifically).

 

[bruschi11]

Clearly just dumping iron and copper like crazy but the iron has to happen or copper becomes toxic .

 

[bruschi11]

Heme is the key to b5 staying on and I think that’s where I’ve been missing for last 3 years.

First I developed an fe3 anemia causing catalase issues. Then I lost control of heme after eating biotin for 6 months and then psyche ward electric therapy. Ozone. 2023 was a mess.

Heme being key for b5 being key to A metabolism. Which is happening. A metabolism is what I sought out 2 years ago when I contacted Meredith. I’m doing it. But my iron copper anemias are just tough and I just don’t know here .

Using ghk patch tonight it’s strong it’s hopefully gonna be useful.

 

[bruschi11]

Ghk patch really standalone shows real nice b6 and b12 function here. Vit D and cr improving too.

What suffers is iodine utilization. Folate.

I think it’s iron. I think the copper utilization is is using up iron. So b5 can’t work for tyrosine (iodine utilization) and iron can’t raise for folate cycle.

Also potassium increases on it. Which is really our main objective here.

I’ll use 4 andro tomorrow and see what happens there standalone.

It was the two of them together that massively raised cobalt chromium phosphorus iron copper the other day.

 

[bruschi11]

i think getting VDR working through 4 andro is dumping fluoride and it just takes down the folate cycle. Kills copper usability.

Body raises lithium to combat the fluoride which kills inositol/ co2 beta alanine.

I think I need to take vitamin D. Things did start changing the other day when I loaded it and D went way up prior to the crazy increases in cobalt and chromium.

Phosphurus is the cofactor for fmn to fad (with mag) . Fad gets b12 used.

My last bloodwork both forms of vit D were dead.

VDR seems to be working from both angles. Chromium and b5 are the main cofactors for it. B5 needs heme and inositol. So D just needs to go in as I keep activating VDR so fmn can convert to fad

 

[bruschi11]

It’s fluoride wasting ATP for CaMP that vanadium downregulates.

That is the illness. 100%

 

[bruschi11]

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Yea vanadium gets estrogen receptor . As Gbold was focusing on. ErA

So I guess that’s another reason V raises copper.

I’m dumping both iron and copper but in tons of neuro stress oxidative stress

 

[bruschi11]

Iron copper is basically thyroid.

Iron = b5/ t4

Copper = selenium utilization= t4 to t3

I’m pretty sure about this.

But thyroid should help sulfation. The problem is right now… sulfur keeps dropping same with phos.

Is that the lithium usage? Lithium could be problem here.

 

[bruschi11]

Vanadium turns on estrogen receptor.

Androstenedione (4 andro) gets us to estrone which is an estrogen receptor agonist.

The two times I went on TRT. My vanadium dropped— a lot. On 4 andro last spring, my vanadium wet up. Both in hair.

I’m dumping iron and copper a lot. On days that I use 4 andro and GHK patch (every 3rd day) I really dump iron hard . And I deal with bad electrolyte depletion. But on the following days I can use nutrients to dump iron copper.

This does feel a bit like the first time I went on TRT the days I take 4 andro and ghk patch. But trt was a daily thing that kept getting worse. 4 andro+ ghk is a once every 3rd day thing.

 

[Yura]

@bruschi11 what symptoms you have while dumping iron and copper?

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 what symptoms you have while dumping iron and copper?

It’s feel thing dude. I always have symptoms.

When iron comes up I feel it on right side of my brain in a good way. Copper it’s middle of brain. Sometimes it’s good sometimes bad.

Iron can cause bad too.

I think iron really needs thyroid with it or it causes problems in the end. As that’s deemed to be what happened on TRT two years ago. Thyroid died from
The hydrogen production induced by estrogens.