RebelWithACause
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Lol Overeem was on some Chernobyl shit in that era. Dude comes from my small hometown. I trained in same gym he trained it. He's cool dude. Roided up to the max in that time.
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Safe use of anabolic steroids: is there any way?
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Lol Overeem was on some Chernobyl shit in that era. Dude comes from my small hometown. I trained in same gym he trained it. He's cool dude. Roided up to the max in that time.
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SO TEST AND PROGESTERONE? What about masteron or primo and test and progesterone?? HCG and dht cycles better?
I am trialing and test on carnivore it is ok. I can keep trying that shyt. I think mast will be better and test prop. IF Test prop is great and ups dht and free dht (it should up dht) and feels nice but is hard to use daily, i may get more test cream. I had some test gel (good base tho, but it is 40mg/ml it should be 200mg/ml. they gave me weak dosage, because the pharmacist is a troll.).
took randro 4andro earlier on
yrs later for hEDS taking gear rite now, it's fine test cream n rad, but ostarine = safer, and var, mast, dht, dht cream, primo = far safer bloods wise, and actual studies wise.. but ya all have risks.
I am trialing and test on carnivore it is ok. I can keep trying that shyt. I think mast will be better and test prop. IF Test prop is great and ups dht and free dht (it should up dht) and feels nice but is hard to use daily, i may get more test cream. I had some test gel (good base tho, but it is 40mg/ml it should be 200mg/ml. they gave me weak dosage, because the pharmacist is a troll.).
took randro 4andro earlier on
yrs later for hEDS taking gear rite now, it's fine test cream n rad, but ostarine = safer, and var, mast, dht, dht cream, primo = far safer bloods wise, and actual studies wise.. but ya all have risks.
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Can you summarize why Test plus progesterone? (The latter would also help myelin in my case). I have notes where Helen also suggested Test plus thyroid because flavoring would help estrogen production and thus mobilize copper. The thyroid would help carry it out.
When I took progest e (progesterone) in the past it seemed to hypnotise certain strangers I came in contact with (men and women), for example I was in a shop and this guy who was with another guy just stopped what he was doing and started staring at me in a trance like state then said sorry as I walked past him as he thought he was in the way and said sorry. Then when I was in the gym on progest e, the hottest girl there kept looking over to me constantly even though I looked like shit that day and people in my gym aren't really looking at each other much and just focused on their own thing. Anyway it was very weird it seems to confuse/mesmerise certain people you come in contact with I didn't have this experience from anything else. The progest e is also not like when I take TEI where Im getting tons of female attention, its much less female attention than TEI and also different as the progest e actually seems to put some people in a trance like state around me lol.
Progesterone is the pregnancy hormone so maybe thats why it confuses some people I come in contact with
But yeah I like how progesterone made me feel, very relaxed gets rid of all excess glutamate and excitotoxicty, just it seems to be bad for my liver so I don't take it now
Progesterone is the pregnancy hormone so maybe thats why it confuses some people I come in contact with
But yeah I like how progesterone made me feel, very relaxed gets rid of all excess glutamate and excitotoxicty, just it seems to be bad for my liver so I don't take it now
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I have a cachectic situation at the muscular level but I should also support collagen/elastin/hyaluronic acid for tendons ligaments cartilage. C and glycine should help, also MSM, glucosamine. As bio identical at this point I would do injectable testosterone plus progesterone for Neurosteroids or primbolan with pregnenolone for estrogen and neurosteroids. Just a guess the problem arises as always in the suspension.
I experienced exactly the same sensations with progesterone in drops of Haidut only 1.7mg but I did not know yet the relationships with zinc and cortisol so maybe I should reevaluate these aspects. I searched for Helen's messages here but they are scattered and I can't understand what progesterone does in use and when you come out on Zinc, cortisol, estrogen.
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So how exactly we hold more electrolyte balance in order to grow muscle mass ?
How much supplemental form of electrolytes in what form should be consumed and hw (with meals or between meals, or mixe din water and drank between meals?)
Please give some examples ?
Can supplementing optimal/proper amounts of electrolytes be as effective as taking steroids ?
Can somebody please contact Helen and ask him this question ?
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I doubt it. Unless you are a genetic freak and have had a strong system from birth. I know a few people like this in real life they are freaks and outliers. They still don't look like steroid users but they have a lot of mass always even without doing crazy weight training. I guess their steroids and electrolyte balance is good from a young age. Their body grew for 25 years (until end of puberty) into full muscles and a strong body. They already looked muscular as little children.
I doubt if some guy takes electrolytes he will get this result lol. Those guys had constant growth from birth to 25 from constant good hormones, growth hormones, undiffused bones, etc. And if they don't mess themselves up can have that until older age.
For high natural steroids you need precursors, oxidation, antioxidation, electrolytes, etc. If one of those system does not work you won't have good working steroids pretty much. So this is why it is rare to see now. I wouldn't chase that to be honest. I would chase feeling good daily having a fast mind, being agile, good condition, etc. I doubt you can reach a point of those genetic freaks who were strong from birth. But maybe someone can prove me wrong. If you get there it would take massive amounts of work long term.
Good example of difference is I did weight training from 18-32 hardcore. Including eating a lot of protein, all the stereotypical "muscle building" stuff. Precursors to steroids. My friend trained for 2 years and looked way better than me didn't follow a diet, lifted lighter, etc. It's ridiculous really. That made me realize life is just not fair no matter how you spin it. There is people who live in different plains of existence from the start of their life. And the shitty thing is people judge you by it. He has an easy time just for being born strong. I remember even a friend being surprised I lifted. I think this is also what pushes some people with worse genetics to go into steroid usage.
The ironic thing is that those guys because of their worse genetics they will also have more problems with taking those steroids.
So yea optimizing your own is best but I took all precursors and I never got close to my friend. Nor did I transform like you do on steroids.
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i think it is more about what thing you lack. you said you ate a lot of proteins, but with this you need electrolytes. this is just example to show that there is a weak link somwhere which stops you from somthening. in the end it is about proper breathing in most cases and most peoples. if this guy who you described had better face structure and better body structure,than yes,he breath more effective(like better nasal aiways, spine which do not press lungs or any other organ)
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Yes true. But both of the guys that I know that have this they never ate a good diet. It was decent, not bad. But definitely not great like promoted on here. So they were born very healthy so they retained electrolytes easily and had good glutathione which allowed their hormones to work long term because they had it from birth.
Helen also talked about it that for example a guy on a vegan diet will still retain minerals and electrolytes similar to a guy who eats another diet. But this only works if hormones work properly.
Those guys especially from age 13-25 they get all the benefits of puberty. But even before this some of these children already have good muscle mass for their age. They didn;'t have to eat a lot of potassium to retain it (as an example).
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A bit offtopic but for me I think I was healthier before puberty. I had energy, a good attitude, never had stomach problems. I lived in the moment. vs. brainfogged. Once I went into puberty my stomach got bad, I got tired, depresssed, isolating, angry, anxious. The only thing I did not have before puberty was a libido. Because I was a kid. But everything else worked better. I even had better condition I could run far without any fatigue and I had a strong mindset even ironically. You'd think an adult has a stronger mindset. For me the opposite.
I think it's because androgens modulate your gut and brain and this changes a lot of things in the body. And probably androgens cause more oxidative stress. So if you already had a lot of oxidative stress as a kid now androgens on top it's hard for the body to keep a good metabolism. Probably why women are often less autistic even if they are in worse health than a man.
Maybe also why some people felt better on finasteride, it takes away a big load of androgens and this way also lowers oxidative stress maybe. But in return you become a feminine version of yourself since you still make testosterone and convert more to estrogen. So obviously also bad to take.
I think it's because androgens modulate your gut and brain and this changes a lot of things in the body. And probably androgens cause more oxidative stress. So if you already had a lot of oxidative stress as a kid now androgens on top it's hard for the body to keep a good metabolism. Probably why women are often less autistic even if they are in worse health than a man.
Maybe also why some people felt better on finasteride, it takes away a big load of androgens and this way also lowers oxidative stress maybe. But in return you become a feminine version of yourself since you still make testosterone and convert more to estrogen. So obviously also bad to take.
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Well, reading gbold's posts regarding this topic, I got the feeling that if we eat enough electrolytes and hold them, then we can have almost steroid like results.
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Yea he also recommended precursors to hormones and stuff eating that. You can definitely gain muscles training, eating protein, electrolytes, etc. Point I made was more like how some people don't do any of that and have better results than others. I am guessing they have very strong hormones from a younger age.