Accutane recoveries using Finasteride

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DO you know why you're taking it?
If you have no idea why you're taking the worst class of Psyche meds, that are readily prescribed today, you have no business taking them.
Patients need to care enough about their health to seek answers on their own.

I’ve been on it for aboit a year, and it has actually helped me with my depression (significantly). Can you elaborate on what side effects you know of? I do feel like it had messed with something, but I’m not sure what exactly.
 

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If I consider switching anti depressants/psychotics, whoch one would be the best (or at LEAST the least destructive)?
 

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-1. Sorry for seeming harsh/ lot on my mind.
-2. I can't answer that because we are coming from a totally different viewpoint, health state, background, etc.
-3. Furthermore my diagnosis and conditions are not like yours so for me literally none are safe, and literally only the best of the best can provide somewhat accurate
Differential Diagnosis for me,, and that precludes all but 2 AAP's maybe, and it gets a hell of a lot more complicated than that, considering treating both side.
-4. In my view, and that of my brother, in general: NONE are safe.
-5. That's not the view of everyone though, but was my view at 21, his at 26, and still now.
-6. Read some of these.
-7. There's better studies out there.
-8. I'd say: Lithium Orotate, Alpha-Gpc, Citcoline (Also known as CDP-choline), Medical Marijuana (with a LOT of research, certainly not for manics nor schizophrenics, nor people with psychosis, and likely not for a lot with depersonalization, and clearly not as a habit).
-9. You need to know what you're doing with any drug. Lithium orotate can bring things down, even for people with severe conditions, it has NDMA antagonistic effects,
and is a mood stabilizer whether prescribed as Lithium Carbonate (all over the world, especially North America), or as Lithium Orotate which is even in ARL mineral
programs.

A rating scale for extrapyramidal side effects
GM Simpson, JWS Angus - Acta Psychiatrica Scandinavica, 1970 - Wiley Online Library


… The usefulness of the scale in studies of neuroleptic drugs is discussed. By its application
it is possible to quantify extrapyramidal sideeffects and to separate them into four
principal factors. Citing Literature Number of times cited: 1633 …


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Atypical antipsychotic-induced metabolic side effects: insights from receptor-binding profiles
HA Nasrallah - Molecular psychiatry, 2008 - nature.com


… Feature Review. Atypical antipsychotic-induced metabolic sideeffects: insights from
receptor-binding profiles … However, concerns about EPS have been replaced by concerns about
other sideeffects, such as weight gain, glucose dysregulation and dyslipidemia …


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Side effects of atypical antipsychotics: extrapyramidal symptoms and the metabolic syndrome
AA Shirzadi, SN Ghaemi - Harvard review of psychiatry, 2006 - Taylor & Francis


… PERSPECTIVES. SideEffects of Atypical Antipsychotics: Extrapyramidal Symptoms
and the Metabolic Syndrome … PERSPECTIVES. SideEffects of Atypical Antipsychotics:
Extrapyramidal Symptoms and the Metabolic Syndrome …


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Serum levels of aripiprazole and dehydroaripiprazole, clinical response and side effects
KM Kirschbaum, MJ Müller, J Malevani… - The World Journal of …, 2008 - Taylor & Francis


… Regarding our retrospective data, 150 to 300 ng/ ml can be regarded as a preliminary
therapeutic range for aripiprazole with optimal clinical outcome and a minimum of sideeffects
Abilify† (aripiprazole) tablets prescribing information 2006 [online] …


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-AND LASTLY, again: NONE if you you want to end PAS in 6months or so.
-Fast, refeed, train like hell, do TEI or ARL, and that's it pretty much.

-Fasting --- and training i.e. eating less and moving more solves most people's health problems to a significant degree.
-Good doctors (poor bedside manner notwithstanding feel patients should move and eat less - lol).
-And I'd add: ELECTROLYTES.
 

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Read these if they say they're amazing inventions and drugs, assume they're lying and hiding info.
If you understand law, marketing, commerce, economics, how drugs are developed, costs, time to market, etc you will understand it's not a joke.


[PDF] researchgate.net

Atypical antipsychotics: mechanism of action
P Seeman - Focus, 2004 - Am Psychiatric Assoc


… If the binding is extremely loose, as with clozapine, remoxipride, quetiapine, and melperone … Using
the ratio of antipsychotic dissociation constants obtained in our laboratory on human … 2A receptors
(Table 1), the demarcation between typical and atypicalantipsychotics shown in …


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Obesity as a risk factor for antipsychotic noncompliance
PJ Weiden, JA Mackell, DD McDonnell - Schizophrenia research, 2004 - Elsevier


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whether the respondent was taking one of the newer “atypicalantipsychotics (ie, clozapine …


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CR Dolder, DV Jeste - Biological Psychiatry, 2003 - Elsevier


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vulnerable patients (ie, middle-aged and older adults with borderline dyskinesia) treated
with conventional versus atypical antipsychotics. Methods We examined the cumulative …


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H1-histamine receptor affinity predicts short-term weight gain for typical and atypical antipsychotic drugs
WK Kroeze, SJ Hufeisen, BA Popadak… - …, 2003 - nature.com


Antipsychotic-induced weight gain: a comprehensive research synthesis … Binding of typical and
atypicalantipsychotics to 5-HT1C and 5-HT2 sites: clozapine potently interacts with 5 … Estimating
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@CNB30: Friday at 1:31 PM: "Furthermore, I’m beginning to realize that abilify isn’t helping at all. You guys have any personal input on that?"
--> ON NET USELESS.


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-there's other studies too.
-Look obviously most cannot read 20000-80000 words a day (+), but still.
-SEARCH for: "antidepressants useless on net, meta analysis, long run" --> interesting study by psychiatrist. ---> Pubmed, or similar resources/ I am not in school right now, and I read it 4 yrs ago. @cnb30


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Do antidepressants cause suicidality in children? A Bayesian meta-analysis
EE Kaizar, JB Greenhouse, H Seltman… - Clinical …, 2006 - journals.sagepub.com


Background To quantify the risk of suicidal behavior/ideation (suicidality) for children who
use antidepressants, the FDA collected randomized placebo-controlle...


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AJ Smith, SE Tett - Drugs & aging, 2009 - Springer


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Got it. I’ve stopped taking the anti-psychotic as of a week ago, am 4 days into no fap (planning to go months on that one), and I fasted today. You said something about fasting 20-30 days on a post about a page before. How is that physically possible. I thought that fasting for more than a week literally damaged people, and that the max most people could go without dying was two weeks.
 

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- One Close Friend said this to me when I was 16 (I look up to them): "There are 2 kinds of people in this World."
-"There are Thinkers And There Are Doers, Worrying is Like A Rocking Chair - It Gives You Something To Do, but it leads you nowhere. It's better to be a doer. Be a doer, MNK"
 

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- One Close Friend said this to me when I was 16 (I look up to them): "There are 2 kinds of people in this World."
-"There are Thinkers And There Are Doers, Worrying is Like A Rocking Chair - It Gives You Something To Do, but it leads you nowhere. It's better to be a doer. Be a doer, MNK"
So how long should I fast for? A week? Or should I just go till the death?
 

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So how long should I fast for? A week? Or should I just go till the death?

Try 24hrs first, then try 3 days, then try a week. Next try 14 days. Work up too it.

The first 3 to 5 days is brutal, but after you do it, the next time you fast its much easier to break through the negatives. After 10days hunger disappears, and its mind over matter about fantasizing delicious food.

I completed a 54 day using Breuss protocol, its tough but worth it.
 

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Try 24hrs first, then try 3 days, then try a week. Next try 14 days. Work up too it.

The first 3 to 5 days is brutal, but after you do it, the next time you fast its much easier to break through the negatives. After 10days hunger disappears, and its mind over matter about fantasizing delicious food.

I completed a 54 day using Breuss protocol, its tough but worth it.

Gotcha. I’m on my secomd day and it doesn’t seem too hard. Just curious, but how does this improve the effects of Accutane/Finasteride/Abilify? Does it force the brain to rewire itself so that people have cravings again or what?
 

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Here are some of @Helen past quotes on fasting, it does lots of good things.

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Therefore, fasting helps this syndrome. fasting for 30-40 days will downregulate Progesterone receptors since body will need tons of Cortisol while you are fasting.

Ray Peat is wrong on fasting in my opinion. what fasting does is shunt everything to Cortisol, this downregulates Progesterone receptors. And 3 beta HSD works like a clock later and NAD is available and not downregulated. Therefore, calorie restriction and fasting prolongs life. And that is why NAD rises on fasting or calorie restriction.

Plus, fasting gets rid of PUFA very fast. And I love periods of high Cortisol. I think this is what makes you young and keeps you young. after you come out of fasting your Cortisol level are very low all year around since receptors are super high unless of course you bombard yourself with sugar nonstop which kills the idea.

I can tell you about fasting. You get rid of all your PUFAs in 40 days fast. You get rid of all toxic metals, hormones, viruses, sibo, bacteria. Your digestion become better after the fast. No one is saying that it is good to be on fast and run on stress hormones. But your receptors will be reset and after you come off of the fast, all your hormones will be low. And now when you sit on your ass and over eat sugar. All your hormones are not being used and your body lowers the receptors. So your levels of Cortisol are high when you eat sugar all the time. and you have to eat like 20 times a day. This is not practical.

Bottom line, more stuff you take, MORE YOU AGE, since you can’t control all the interactions. And that is why calorie restriction, fasting can keep people very young looking. since it does allow your body TIME to balance itself and get rid of overload of certain minerals. The best thing is to fast and swim in the ocean and drink a lot of water.

Fasting allows you to stop all these repeating processes while you are fasting. You fast and you don’t eat your normal food. let’s say your food intake was overloaded into a copper side or zinc side or aluminum side. While fasting, you allow your body not to get toxic in this overload and it allows time to get balanced and to get rid of this directional imbalance that you were causing with your food intake. fasting is like a laundry day. You don’t allow new toxins go in and you get rid of old ones.

When you fast all your hormones will be lower since they become more sensitive. You don't want them to be high. What is the reason. You will be super androgenic after fasting. Like a kid.

Therefore, when you are fasting your protein synthesis is even better and the body is creating new tissue at better speed and of a better quality. So please stop listening to people saying cortisol is evil. THEY ARE TOTALLY WRONG. CORTISOL IS NOT WORKING, IT IS RAISED for a reason, and those who lower it, suffer from protein synthesis problems. They need to increase its reception, and this will cause cortisol to lower without decreasing protein synthesis and zinc from the cell.

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Here are some of @Helen past quotes on fasting, it does lots of good things.

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Therefore, fasting helps this syndrome. fasting for 30-40 days will downregulate Progesterone receptors since body will need tons of Cortisol while you are fasting.

Ray Peat is wrong on fasting in my opinion. what fasting does is shunt everything to Cortisol, this downregulates Progesterone receptors. And 3 beta HSD works like a clock later and NAD is available and not downregulated. Therefore, calorie restriction and fasting prolongs life. And that is why NAD rises on fasting or calorie restriction.

Plus, fasting gets rid of PUFA very fast. And I love periods of high Cortisol. I think this is what makes you young and keeps you young. after you come out of fasting your Cortisol level are very low all year around since receptors are super high unless of course you bombard yourself with sugar nonstop which kills the idea.

I can tell you about fasting. You get rid of all your PUFAs in 40 days fast. You get rid of all toxic metals, hormones, viruses, sibo, bacteria. Your digestion become better after the fast. No one is saying that it is good to be on fast and run on stress hormones. But your receptors will be reset and after you come off of the fast, all your hormones will be low. And now when you sit on your ass and over eat sugar. All your hormones are not being used and your body lowers the receptors. So your levels of Cortisol are high when you eat sugar all the time. and you have to eat like 20 times a day. This is not practical.

Bottom line, more stuff you take, MORE YOU AGE, since you can’t control all the interactions. And that is why calorie restriction, fasting can keep people very young looking. since it does allow your body TIME to balance itself and get rid of overload of certain minerals. The best thing is to fast and swim in the ocean and drink a lot of water.

Fasting allows you to stop all these repeating processes while you are fasting. You fast and you don’t eat your normal food. let’s say your food intake was overloaded into a copper side or zinc side or aluminum side. While fasting, you allow your body not to get toxic in this overload and it allows time to get balanced and to get rid of this directional imbalance that you were causing with your food intake. fasting is like a laundry day. You don’t allow new toxins go in and you get rid of old ones.

When you fast all your hormones will be lower since they become more sensitive. You don't want them to be high. What is the reason. You will be super androgenic after fasting. Like a kid.

Therefore, when you are fasting your protein synthesis is even better and the body is creating new tissue at better speed and of a better quality. So please stop listening to people saying cortisol is evil. THEY ARE TOTALLY WRONG. CORTISOL IS NOT WORKING, IT IS RAISED for a reason, and those who lower it, suffer from protein synthesis problems. They need to increase its reception, and this will cause cortisol to lower without decreasing protein synthesis and zinc from the cell.

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I’m noy sure that being androgenic sounds like a good idea. One of the things I’m trying to fix is my sex drive and romantic abilities. Does this imply that that will make these things worse? I’d like to be able to enjoy sex and relationships again.
 

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I’m noy sure that being androgenic sounds like a good idea. One of the things I’m trying to fix is my sex drive and romantic abilities. Does this imply that that will make these things worse? I’d like to be able to enjoy sex and relationships again.

Nope it will make things better. During my fasts, I had shrinkage go away, much fuller erections, lots of good things in the sexual dept.
 

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So I’m on the third day of fasting and my energy is incredibly low, and I have a cold. What should I do to improve energy, and is it safe to fast with a cold?
 

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Stick it out --look everyone worrying about fasting... unless you're 6'3 and 40lb underweight or 6'8 and even more underweight./ fuck it.
Rather look skinny as hell a year and cure it than wait forever. Not to mention you gain only LBM (Lean Body Mass) the next like 6months anyways, depending on diet, training regimen, and also genes.
 
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So I’m on the third day of fasting and my energy is incredibly low, and I have a cold. What should I do to improve energy, and is it safe to fast with a cold?

Just do what feels right for you. 3 days is good going to start with, you can aim for longer next time & you’ll know what to expect. Fasting isn’t easy though, I think its a real achievement to manage a month or more like some people.

I’m surprised you’ve got a cold, I’ve never had a cold or flu or anything post accutane. Same for most PFS people
 

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So today went rather well, and I’m too afraid about returning to my old mental state, so I will be carrying out the fast for at least a few more days. I’m a big believer in taking this to the extreme now.
 

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good finally some reason told omi too as well and several others... incl swole sourcers who said my language is hurting their results, but ya. language won't hurt anyone if they recover. good luck keep at it, Helen's right of course - 72hrs plus to detoxify/chelate. More like 7-20++.
 

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So today went rather well, and I’m too afraid about returning to my old mental state, so I will be carrying out the fast for at least a few more days. I’m a big believer in taking this to the extreme now.

3 days is not a fast. 5 days is not a fast. you dont start fasting until day 7.

3-5 days, that is starvation period. the body it trying to get fat adapted

Fasting for 3-5 or even 7 days, IMO worthless.