Fighting….

[Yura]

Bro I feel lumps of plague in my neck, arm, leg veins. So I really don't know who has it worse. I can drop dead in any moment.

 

[bruschi11]

Bro I feel lumps of plague in my neck, arm, leg veins. So I really don't know who has it worse. I can drop dead in any moment.

Didn’t know you were in that bad of shape I’m really sorry.

I don’t think they have any idea what’s really happening on RPF besides iron and copper coming up which needs to happen.

But I can see this is why people heal through b vitamins and minerals.

I did one thing last weekend I’m really glad I did.

I normally do one OATs/ nutreval a year since 2019. One or two years I did 2.

Anyways . I looked at one piece. Just the Krebs cycle markers. Nothing else. I screen shotted them and put them as a file in my phone.

I see it all happen. Perfect Krebs markers when I was just constipated and Lyme issues in 2019.

Then in 2020 cis aconitic acid dropped. The iron sulfur marker. When I originally got bad.

2021 other things started dropping but not too bad. Succinate (b12 biotin) stayed good.

Early 2022 things got worse as I really collapsed . Really bad. Brain shrinkage. Cis aconitic acid and other Krebs markers REALLY dropped . Stilll I was recovering slowly. It was happening. Succinate stayed good.

Then late 2022 the Krebs markers were still low but improved all around and I was recovering. Succinate perfect still.

Mid 2023 after a 4 month crash, the Krebs markers were down again but succinate up again during improvement period.

BOTH 2024/ 2025— dead succinate. I died. I did not recover or come close at all ever. Cool some tiny improvements fall winter 2024/2025. Nothing decent even at all.

I think people who heal with B vitamins specifically starting with b12 biotin b2, they’re making b5 work to produce tyrosine which uses iodine. Somewhere we need to produce inositol to feed iodine to tyrosine. Inositol I believe is the feeder. Tyrosine is the receptor of iodine.

You being a guy that needs t4 makes sense for me. That this is the approach you probably need too.

I think the best test is oats. Or something that can just look at the mitochondrial markers in the Krebs cycle.

Looking at my whole history I did all the testing . I’d say the most obvious that goes along with my health is oats next to plasma aminos.

 

[Yura]

What is your take on vit A. Do we even need it for ceruloplasmin, immune system or Smith and others are right? I really don't know. But I just started with some after 8 years of not ingesting any because I really don't know if I am hurting or helping myself.. Yeah my cardiovascular system is fucked. It's just that high stress hormone state, low collagen production high collagen breakdown. The body does everything it ca to plug all those holes in veins.. Spine is fucked as well. Just whole body degeneration. I think in theory it is still possible to rebuild the body and reverse it, but for that I would have to take exactly what the body needs. Which is hard to know. For now I will trust HTMA. I just take little less then they recommend so I can function at least somehow. If I take 80mg of zinc I can function. It kills cortisol and I can barely keep eyes open let alone make money so I can even survive..

 

[bruschi11]

What is your take on vit A. Do we even need it for ceruloplasmin, immune system or Smith and others are right? I really don't know. But I just started with some after 8 years of not ingesting any because I really don't know if I am hurting or helping myself.. Yeah my cardiovascular system is fucked. It's just that high stress hormone state, low collagen production high collagen breakdown. The body does everything it ca to plug all those holes in veins.. Spine is fucked as well. Just whole body degeneration. I think in theory it is still possible to rebuild the body and reverse it, but for that I would have to take exactly what the body needs. Which is hard to know. For now I will trust HTMA. I just take little less then they recommend so I can function at least somehow. If I take 80mg of zinc I can function. It kills cortisol and I can barely keep eyes open let alone make money so I can even survive..

We don’t need to feed A. But we can eat it. Like don’t supplement it because you can’t track how you’re doing with its metabolism . But we wanna just have a strong system that metabolizes A.

And that’s why I’m thinking start with succinate in the Krebs makes sense.

 

[Yura]

And do you think it is smart idea in my case to start eating liver? It feels wrong from me. But HTMA gives vit A to speed up metabolism and for immune system. SO I don't know..

 

[bruschi11]

And do you think it is smart idea in my case to start eating liver? It feels wrong from me. But HTMA gives vit A to speed up metabolism and for immune system. SO I don't know..

I’m against it. Not too much A for awhile

 

[Yura]

But I was not eating any for 8 years. So what is "for a while" another couple of years? I will not start eating 5x RDA daily. But I simply worry, that after so many years of low vit A diet I could start to run into some issues. My serum retinol is 1.68 umol/l/ ref range is 1.05-2.80. I am sure before I started low vit A diet I had crazy high serum vit A. It damaged Endothelial tissues like in blood vessels for sure..
So would eat just some eggs here and there that is also good source of vit A, but it has a lot of cholesterol which I don't want increase to much..
Simply I want to make sure that I have all micronutrients in a diet. Vit A is/was the only one missing and it is used by HTMA ARL/TEI. So I don't want to fuck results just by completely depleting vit A from my body..
Because you have to understand I am very strict with the diet. I have this mindset from bodybuilding days. I weight everything to make sure I eat the same amounts etc.. So when I say I will eat nothing but meat, rice veggies lets say I mean it. Which is a good thing if you eat exactly what the body needs, but really bad thing if there is something missing hehe..

Helen was talking about this how people get unbalanced by eating the same stuff and living the same life style. If person like that is doing exactly what the body needs they end up 100yo healthy.
But if it is exact opposite they need for example they will end up with chronic issues..
I think the safest approach for people who are healthy and want to stay healthy is to eat everything. Like people who travel and eat in hotel buffet all the time. So they instinctively can choose for every meal something different what tastes good in the moment and what their body need most likely. But normal people who have to buy it, cook it. They end up in routine and the chance that that routine has good ratios and amounts of stuff they need is like what 10% maybe? heh..

 

[RebelWithACause]

@Yura I think you're right about most of it but the problem with liver is very concentrated. Most people don't eat it. And if you have big problems I wouldn't eat something like that. Better to eat more neutral foods. So you don't instantly get insane amounts of stuff in.

 

[Yura]

Anyways I ate 2x10g cubes of tha beef liver and flashed the rest in toilet lol. Felt wrong eating it. Felt weird after eating as well actually..
You are right..

 

[bruschi11]

Yea eat normal vitamin A foods not the highest lol @Yura

 

[bruschi11]

I’m moving to the hg7 and I’m off hormones besides possibly dhea.

Been really really bad after getting off. But I have to do it . They were not good for the situation.

It’s not fully hg7 what im starting. But EGCG and biotin really are the two biggest pieces next to zinc .

Reality is my health fully collapsed as succinate in the Krebs cycle died in 2024 . My take is the hg7 protocol is mainly about getting succinate going so coa and gtp can be made. These lead to VHL. And VHL gtp biggest pieces for A metabolisk next to NAd.

I’m using indigo biofeedback device in place of oligoscan right now. Free scans. And looks at enzymes and the b vitamins more.

I’m noticing things. Like pantithene shuts down biotin and b12. So might as well stick to just pantothenic. How when things turn on right, zinc dumps copper. Egcg dumps iron (what i realllllly need). Biotin allows both to happen.

Taking a B complex with some ado/ methyl b12 on top b5 b6 b2 and the high dose biotin.

Molybdenum really shut my system down. I believe choline does a better job at handling the copper dumping than molybdenum. If I feel need for moly is extreme I will go low dose 75-100mcg.

I’m completely bed bound . For last week. Cannot work. Cannot play video games.

I do feel I’m probably too late. The Krebs cycle could not die the way it did for long . My Brain completely shrunken. But I have to give this one last try

 

[Yura]

@bruschi11 you were playing video games? It is stressful for the body. I realized that after watching someone play with heart rate monitor. Elevated heart rate like if he was doing zone 2 aerobic training LOL. I did competitive starctaft broodwar for a decade. 4-8 hours a day. Great cope/escape for sure. Had great group. We were playing Friday/saturday nighs on LAN. Was great hehe.
But it ruins adrenals in long run for sure.. Before I crashed and I was still playing I would get almost heart attacks in intense moments of the game.. ALso got very shaky, sweaty and cold hands. Clear sign of high adrenaline. Basically I completely depleted my body by just playing games and eating bad diet. But even with good diet. Simply sitting on your ass and having adrenaline pumping is not healthy at all..
So I stopped and I enjoy watching others play. It gives me that dopamine without that stress..

Btw how much biotin you will take? they take even gram doses that's crazy when you consider highest pills are what 20mg?
Hopefully it will help you.. I would love to do it, but if the EGCG is not really increasing free copper in the blood like they say that zinc alone would kill me. Let alone with those doses of molybdenum lol.

 

[bruschi11]

@bruschi11 you were playing video games? It is stressful for the body. I realized that after watching someone play with heart rate monitor. Elevated heart rate like if he was doing zone 2 aerobic training LOL. I did competitive starctaft broodwar for a decade. 4-8 hours a day. Great cope/escape for sure. Had great group. We were playing Friday/saturday nighs on LAN. Was great hehe.
But it ruins adrenals in long run for sure.. Before I crashed and I was still playing I would get almost heart attacks in intense moments of the game.. ALso got very shaky, sweaty and cold hands. Clear sign of high adrenaline. Basically I completely depleted my body by just playing games and eating bad diet. But even with good diet. Simply sitting on your ass and having adrenaline pumping is not healthy at all..
So I stopped and I enjoy watching others play. It gives me that dopamine without that stress..

Btw how much biotin you will take? they take even gram doses that's crazy when you consider highest pills are what 20mg?
Hopefully it will help you.. I would love to do it, but if the EGCG is not really increasing free copper in the blood like they say that zinc alone would kill me. Let alone with those doses of molybdenum lol.

Yea I was doing a driving job. Just cannot now. And I normally can play video games over years but I never let them stress me. I play easy stuff story modes or sports games.

I’m taking biotin at like 20-50000mcg. I’m shocked how much I can handle. I think it’s the egcg making it tolerable.

But noticing moly kills biotin . And I want to stay off moly take choline instead when copper becomes an issue.

It’s all a work in progress and I really think I’m gonna need some dhea.

Today I had setback from Pantithene realize that takes out biotin. Similar to last night moly took out biotin . Will only use pantothenic and beta alanine to help support b5.

I noticed the copper dumping wipe out choline on my indigo device. Choline plays a big role in b5 activation. And is pro iron anti copper.

Choline IVs PC IVs were a big part of my 2022 recovery. A time period where yea I think I messed myself up with copper prior.

The 20mg of copper daily I took this past winter for 2-3 months was really fuckin stupid. I think when system really turns on, copper takes down iron flat out.

Last fall when I improved, serum iron increased. That’s what needs to happen before anything.

 

[RebelWithACause]

20mg of copper a day lol wtf bro. I play videogames too yes they are stressful kinda. Most stressful is competetive games which I play. Normal games can be relaxing but they don't stimulate me. Unless it's Dark Souls or a soulslike then you might rage and get cortisol spikes. LOL

 

[Yura]

What games you play. My love is Starcraft broodwar. It is great that they did remasterd version and the old PRO players from Korea still keep playing and tournaments are going. Even the oldest casting couple Artosis and Tasteless are still doing it. People still play that game on pro level more than 25 years. Still new strategies/builds are found by Korean Pros. It is so wild hehe..
It is crazy stressful. It is so hard to play that game. Best Pros have around 350-400 actions per minute. In my best I had like 220. From the start to finish it is very intense. It can be 4 minute game with some rush or it can be crazy 60 minute battle where both sides deplete all resources and fight till the end with couple of units hehe.
I wach matches on this channel a lot. There is some example of on of the top old school players

I also love DOTA. The old one. I have best memories playing on LAN with guys 5v5 for a long time every friday/saturday night hehe

 

[RebelWithACause]

Yes Starcraft is hardcore and I imagine stressful, personally never played it. I play a lot of Marvel Rivals now, a hero shooter and Overwatch 2, Counter-Strike 2, ArmA: Reforger.

I'm not a strategy type of guy. DOTA is a classic too. Never played those games incl. League of Legends.

And then on the side I play retro games like old NES/SNES/N64/PS1 games. I like Japanese RPG's. Those games are kinda chill, they have the opposite effect of stress for me, feels more like watching a story/adventure. But this can also be boring if you want something stimulating.

There's a massive difference between the popular competetive games and retro but also newer single player games. The competetive games like League of Legends, Counter-Strike 2, Overwatch 2, Valorant and even StarCraft and Age of Empires can be very stressful and rage inducing if you lose.

 

[Yura]

I think all games are less or more stressful. Simply once you try to play your best it will increase stress and during that time your body is not in fully relaxed rest and digest mode.. My goal is to be able to rest like animals. To do nothing. To be ok with being bored. That is true rest apart from sleep.. But it is hard to do in small apartment with people who stress you out lol.
Really envy people who have their own peace. Like house with garden. Dog, cat. That would be amazing just relax with animals. Would be healthy in no time lol..
I feel like I couldn't fully relax and rest like majority of my life. Fucking horrible existence.

 

[bruschi11]

I think it’s time to lower the dose of biotin as really struggling dumping copper.

I think I need it. Badly. I believe biotin is literally the key to methylation. I think it really is the key to b12 usage. Cuz biotin = nad in my book. And the nmda receptor. And insulin.

It has been the most fucked up 5 day period of my life kinda realizing…: yea. “You were kinda saving your life with biotin in 2023 but man you needed an iron availability approach with it. Badly.

I think it’s choline b12 zinc calcium k2 chromium maybe iodine with a lower more normal dose dose of biotin .

I think it may have saved my life this last week the biotin. But it’s just a big piece of a puzzle here. A very valuable one.

 

[bruschi11]

I think biotin / b12 + b complex/ minerals/ dhea approach needs iodine choline with it .

 

[bruschi11]

I think iodine = nadph for sulfate to taurine. Taurine + beta alanine (via biotin) = nmda receptor.

Taurine and beta alanine are step 1 and 2 to nmda and I think that’s important here.

Need choline for coa via pantothenic acid.