Fighting….

[esp90]

I doubt you can recover to become a 100% healthy human like some people who are born with very strong genes, bone mass, testosterone in the womb. I see a lot of people who claim they are healthy yet they would get destroyed physically and mentally by a human with good genetics and good base diet from birth. Incl. a lot of the hair test guys a lot of them are still weak years after. They never compare.

Not saying it's useless but it's like fighting an uphill battle and it takes years and then eventually you'll die. Maybe even too late to even live a different life.

I see it in myself as well. My friend never had to do any of this garbage and he still outperforms me in every area of life. It's just fucking insane. It's hard to be an upstanding member of society when some people have it way easier than you. You have to fight for crumbs while some other fag with good genetics goes through life like a breeze.

Quite maddening that your life is just predetermined to be shit for example. Especially if you have bad health your life will be suffering suffering suffering and then die.

In nature I guess people like me would of died a long time ago already and this whole ordeal is an unnatural hobby.

I appreciate Helen and others here for giving all the info and stuff, it made me believe again in life and to fight for my life. But now I see that in a way life is very predetermined by what happens in the womb and then childhood. And genetics in general. OR at least how good your genetics are able to execute themselves especially in youth. After that good luck you're fighting an uphill battle and you'll always be one step behind.

Maybe you guys have better genetics and health and then this stuff can give you an extra bump and maybe even give you a normal life. For me I doubt this is the case. And I made insane improvements. I never met someone in real life who transformed as much as I did in health. But it's still not enough. And that fact is what annoys me the most. That you do all this crap just to end up being a second rank player. Better than being in the gutter for sure. But yea, life is life I guess.

What insane improvements did you make? And how did you achieve them? Did you go the HTMA-route?

 

[bruschi11]

Did you experience alot of health improvements? Did you do hairtests during that time? If so how were they affected by fasting? I know the people who are into hairtest dont recomend fasting as its "taxing on the body".

I think men. With good iron status can fast. Good co2. Good calcium in htma. No PTH issues or serious metabolic issues.

It’s good for tons of things. The htma people don’t know a thing about what actually matters. Htma world is lost.

I also disagree with rebel . I think most can get fixed and have a life better than even before they were sick. I did that in 2018 for a bit.

I got unlucky. I was looking to get edited towards greatness again. Instead I hired a fat lady who knew nothing about biochemistry.

 

[Aleksandr]

I fasted all the time between late 2017 and mid 2020. Outside of 1 year during that time I didn’t fast at all.

Fasting can be very good and balancing. But needs to be done wisely and in accordance with system.

People reading this don’t get it . I’m battling a neurodegenerative disease now. Very severe. Parkinson’s MS type. So I’m not just a normal person who had PFS anymore. I’m in a life and death situation.

So I shouldn’t have been fasting. I’m very very sick in a body chemistry that needs foods hormones minerals . Badly.

What is your current HTMA, sounds like 4 lows

 

[Aleksandr]

I doubt you can recover to become a 100% healthy human like some people who are born with very strong genes, bone mass, testosterone in the womb. I see a lot of people who claim they are healthy yet they would get destroyed physically and mentally by a human with good genetics and good base diet from birth. Incl. a lot of the hair test guys a lot of them are still weak years after. They never compare.

Not saying it's useless but it's like fighting an uphill battle and it takes years and then eventually you'll die. Maybe even too late to even live a different life.

I see it in myself as well. My friend never had to do any of this garbage and he still outperforms me in every area of life. It's just fucking insane. It's hard to be an upstanding member of society when some people have it way easier than you. You have to fight for crumbs while some other fag with good genetics goes through life like a breeze.

Quite maddening that your life is just predetermined to be shit for example. Especially if you have bad health your life will be suffering suffering suffering and then die.

In nature I guess people like me would of died a long time ago already and this whole ordeal is an unnatural hobby.

I appreciate Helen and others here for giving all the info and stuff, it made me believe again in life and to fight for my life. But now I see that in a way life is very predetermined by what happens in the womb and then childhood. And genetics in general. OR at least how good your genetics are able to execute themselves especially in youth. After that good luck you're fighting an uphill battle and you'll always be one step behind.

Maybe you guys have better genetics and health and then this stuff can give you an extra bump and maybe even give you a normal life. For me I doubt this is the case. And I made insane improvements. I never met someone in real life who transformed as much as I did in health. But it's still not enough. And that fact is what annoys me the most. That you do all this crap just to end up being a second rank player. Better than being in the gutter for sure. But yea, life is life I guess.

Like Brad Pitt natural hair genetics vs people taking finasteride and then getting PFS

I think though that everyone suffers, suffering is relative, but also objective. There was a tennis player whining at wimbledon yesterday and his brother said "no matter how bad he's feeling he's not a starving kid in africa", gives us some perspective.

Only one player can be on top, and they can't stay there long usually... depends what it is i guess.

I'm rambling now, my point is, why do we even care? If we take our comparison (called before as the root of all evil), and just focus in ourselves, that's where the true battle is held. Is a 1v1 against our past self. If we're able to improve even a little bit that's a win, whatever it is.

When I'm feeling down ill be like "this is all crap and nothing is worth it", but when I feel good I think of the possibilities, I have a goal I'm moving towards. I think drawing up a 5 year life goal / plan is useful. We don't need to stick to it, it should be flexible. Just having some orientation is positive mentally.

 

[Aleksandr]

I think men. With good iron status can fast. Good co2. Good calcium in htma. No PTH issues or serious metabolic issues.

It’s good for tons of things. The htma people don’t know a thing about what actually matters. Htma world is lost.

I also disagree with rebel . I think most can get fixed and have a life better than even before they were sick. I did that in 2018 for a bit.

I got unlucky. I was looking to get edited towards greatness again. Instead I hired a fat lady who knew nothing about biochemistry.

I'm planning on doing htma the way Gbold said: follow the algorithm when it spits out the supplement recs, don't listen/talk to a practitioner, and keep my diet high in nutrients.

 

[RebelWithACause]

I think men. With good iron status can fast. Good co2. Good calcium in htma. No PTH issues or serious metabolic issues.

It’s good for tons of things. The htma people don’t know a thing about what actually matters. Htma world is lost.

I also disagree with rebel . I think most can get fixed and have a life better than even before they were sick. I did that in 2018 for a bit.

I got unlucky. I was looking to get edited towards greatness again. Instead I hired a fat lady who knew nothing about biochemistry.

Yes of course you can have a better life relative to your old life. I'm much healthier now. But even in this state I don't get to the level of people with good genetics. All I'm saying.

@esp90 Stopped my hairloss without finasteride, muscular and lean, eyesight improved to almost 100% vs. needing glasses, stronger in the gym, fast recovery, faster thinking, strong libido etc. all signs of better metabolism.

 

[bruschi11]

Really seeing the mag toxicity as a huge piece.

Just thinking of electrolytes protocol. Mg, k, cl, na. Need balance there.

 

[Aleksandr]

What did you do @esp90 to get those improvements?

I saw your log here, was it TEI balancing that fixed you? How many cycles did you do?

esp90 log

So I've done a couple of post before but I thought I'd make a proper log. I've had poor health since I was like 13, thats when I went to my first naturopath and he told me to quit sugar ect. When I was 16 I started noticing a condition called Keratosis Pilaris (chicken skin) and redness on...

hackstas.is

 

[RebelWithACause]

My point was that even the healthiest health guru's I've seen are like 50% of what some of the genetically healthy people I have seen in real life are. Maybe not even 50%. They would be obliterated against someone with good genes, good dietary habits from birth and healthy mother.

The reason why health guru's are the way they are is because they had/have bad health to begin with. So they have to do a lot of things just to be "normal". I respect it don't get me wrong. It's great there is a way out and to improve and bless them for trying to help themselves and others. But a lot of them cope a lot and lie to themselves and others thinking they know the truth. And ignore reality.

But for me this is also a harsh acceptance of life. That most of us will never reach "the pinnacle of health" before we end up dead. I won't give up but it could be a wasted life. Maybe I will reach a really good point in my life. But sometimes this thought brings me down.

Of course life has always been that way. There are people who die as a baby, child, etc. There are worse things in life. I guess I am spoiled in that sense. Because to be fair I operate very well in my current way of living and I don't have PFS anymore at all.

If you would say I would do this good when I was in PFS or even before it I would be excited. You just get used to your new baselines quick and you start to see it can always be better. That's human nature.

 

[bruschi11]

My point was that even the healthiest health guru's I've seen are like 50% of what some of the genetically healthy people I have seen in real life are. Maybe not even 50%. They would be obliterated against someone with good genes, good dietary habits from birth and healthy mother.

The reason why health guru's are the way they are is because they had/have bad health to begin with. So they have to do a lot of things just to be "normal". I respect it don't get me wrong. It's great there is a way out and to improve and bless them for trying to help themselves and others. But a lot of them cope a lot and lie to themselves and others thinking they know the truth. And ignore reality.

But for me this is also a harsh acceptance of life. That most of us will never reach "the pinnacle of health" before we end up dead. I won't give up but it could be a wasted life. Maybe I will reach a really good point in my life. But sometimes this thought brings me down.

Of course life has always been that way. There are people who die as a baby, child, etc. There are worse things in life. I guess I am spoiled in that sense. Because to be fair I operate very well in my current way of living and I don't have PFS anymore at all.

If you would say I would do this good when I was in PFS or even before it I would be excited. You just get used to your new baselines quick and you start to see it can always be better. That's human nature.

The healthiest health gurus have no idea what they’re talking about when it comes to health. That’s the problem.

Like nobody has anyyyyy clue. The htma people are closest but they’re soooo lost too.

There’s a reason people come out of bed for 7-10 years. I know people who have done that. Why does that happen?

I think what matters more is healing the severely ill. And getting them to liveable conditions. It’s doable. And this happens as I said the 7-10 year thing.

Getting these people to superhuman elite health? Might not be possible. I get it. If I’m decent again I’m happy.

But say a guy is at 8/10. Getting him to 10/10 which it seems you want. I do think is possible. But that person has to be treated like the severely ill.

Like every single nutrient, gut bacteria, ENZYME, hormone, and so on has to be taken into account.

My life quality is 2/10. Probably 1 to be honest but I get it some can’t walk. So I’ll say 2. To get to 6/10 which is liveable. I need to know EVERY piece of information relevant for the situation .

The guy with 8/10 health. Isn’t going to do the work I’m doing. They’re not going to spend 10s of thousands of dollars yearly to figure themselves all out.

And the ones that do? They’re not looking at biochemistry and have no idea how to balance a person.

I am saying if we balance enzymes with every piece of knowledge on hand. We can really move forward.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Like Brad Pitt natural hair genetics vs people taking finasteride and then getting PFS

I think though that everyone suffers, suffering is relative, but also objective. There was a tennis player whining at wimbledon yesterday and his brother said "no matter how bad he's feeling he's not a starving kid in africa", gives us some perspective.

Only one player can be on top, and they can't stay there long usually... depends what it is i guess.

I'm rambling now, my point is, why do we even care? If we take our comparison (called before as the root of all evil), and just focus in ourselves, that's where the true battle is held. Is a 1v1 against our past self. If we're able to improve even a little bit that's a win, whatever it is.

When I'm feeling down ill be like "this is all crap and nothing is worth it", but when I feel good I think of the possibilities, I have a goal I'm moving towards. I think drawing up a 5 year life goal / plan is useful. We don't need to stick to it, it should be flexible. Just having some orientation is positive mentally.

I agree it healthier to focus on yourself and it's a better and healthier mindset. But as an example Brad Pitt is not just hair genetics. You can tell he has good genetics in general. That's why he has a good face too. Even without the hair he "looks good" because he was born very healthy. It's not just genetics as the output/results of genetics are there when body is healthy. Could be that his father/mother was very healthy and/or he had a really good diet from a very young age.

Then you have some other dude born really unhealthy and being around other family members who are unhealthy where his/her whole life is an uphill battle just to stay afloat. That dynamic kinda gets to me.

But of course it can always be worse, you can be born crippled, dwarfism, cancer, etc. And bad things can always happen in life too.

So I'm not trying to be negative and yes I always think of people who have it harder than me to not be a spoiled brat. Incl. some people who are still dealing with PFS. I don't see myself as unlucky or a victim.

But I also realise that there is massive differences between humans and since I improved my health I have noticed this more. When I was very sick I couldn't care about it, I wanted to feel good in that moment because I felt like shit all the time. But now I notice how unbalanced the game of life is. And people always talk to you as if you have the same chances are Brad Pitt lol. "Just work hard bro!"

And yes even people who are healthy can be depressed. So I guess life is all about how you look at it. Your emotional state while experiencing it. I remember when I was sick sometimes I had days where I felt incredible happiness just being alive. I still look back even in the times I had PFS sometimes with positivity because I had some beautiful moments. For example during COVID I was walking in the forests a lot which were completely empty at the start. It was very quiet. I loved it. While other people were crying that they couldn't be social with their friends. It's all about perspective.

I was also alone during PFS as nobody wanted to be around me in real life. Which I now kind of look back to as a nice moment in my life lol. Really weird. The battle of PFS for me was a reason to live. And then I got out and I lost a battle/reason to live. If you tell people this in PFS they'd say you are crazy probably.

Also I think the reason why I might be more negative is my diet. Not sure.

 

[Aleksandr]

I agree it healthier to focus on yourself and it's a better and healthier mindset. But as an example Brad Pitt is not just hair genetics. You can tell he has good genetics in general. That's why he has a good face too. Even without the hair he "looks good" because he was born very healthy. It's not just genetics as the output/results of genetics are there when body is healthy. Could be that his father/mother was very healthy and/or he had a really good diet from a very young age.

Then you have some other dude born really unhealthy and being around other family members who are unhealthy where his/her whole life is an uphill battle just to stay afloat. That dynamic kinda gets to me.

But of course it can always be worse, you can be born crippled, dwarfism, cancer, etc. And bad things can always happen in life too.

So I'm not trying to be negative and yes I always think of people who have it harder than me to not be a spoiled brat. Incl. some people who are still dealing with PFS. I don't see myself as unlucky or a victim.

But I also realise that there is massive differences between humans and since I improved my health I have noticed this more. When I was very sick I couldn't care about it, I wanted to feel good in that moment because I felt like shit all the time. But now I notice how unbalanced the game of life is. And people always talk to you as if you have the same chances are Brad Pitt lol. "Just work hard bro!"

And yes even people who are healthy can be depressed. So I guess life is all about how you look at it. Your emotional state while experiencing it. I remember when I was sick sometimes I had days where I felt incredible happiness just being alive. I still look back even in the times I had PFS sometimes with positivity because I had some beautiful moments. For example during COVID I was walking in the forests a lot which were completely empty at the start. It was very quiet. I loved it. While other people were crying that they couldn't be social with their friends. It's all about perspective.

I was also alone during PFS as nobody wanted to be around me in real life. Which I now kind of look back to as a nice moment in my life lol. Really weird. The battle of PFS for me was a reason to live. And then I got out and I lost a battle/reason to live. If you tell people this in PFS they'd say you are crazy probably.

Also I think the reason why I might be more negative is my diet. Not sure.

i get it, and i agree with what you say.
i just think from a life philosophy point of view, we maximize our enjoyment of life by focusing on whats in our control (what can i do to improve).
and we maximise our misery by focusing on what isn't in our control (thoughts like "its unfair Brad Pitt was born so healthy and good looking")

i mean you're saying the exact same thing above, saying how PFS battle gave you a purpose. you couldn't control the outcome of beating PFS, but you could control the fact you were battling it. compare that to when you talk about others being born healthy, idk how you feel but it sounds miserable.

long term we still need battles to fight and things to do, it can't all be about PFS.
me for example, i love sport and i'm trying to battle to get back into it. another long term goal of mine is to achieve FIRE.
things like walks in the forest etc are amazing in the moment but they don't bring the same sort of steady skill progression hobbies like playing tennis can give you. that feeling of progression (i.e. healing from PFS im sure gave it) is what we need IMO. without it we also feel like we stagnate and get miserable.

 

[RebelWithACause]

i get it, and i agree with what you say.
i just think from a life philosophy point of view, we maximize our enjoyment of life by focusing on whats in our control (what can i do to improve).
and we maximise our misery by focusing on what isn't in our control (thoughts like "its unfair Brad Pitt was born so healthy and good looking")

i mean you're saying the exact same thing above, saying how PFS battle gave you a purpose. you couldn't control the outcome of beating PFS, but you could control the fact you were battling it. compare that to when you talk about others being born healthy, idk how you feel but it sounds miserable.

long term we still need battles to fight and things to do, it can't all be about PFS.
me for example, i love sport and i'm trying to battle to get back into it. another long term goal of mine is to achieve FIRE.
things like walks in the forest etc are amazing in the moment but they don't bring the same sort of steady skill progression hobbies like playing tennis can give you. that feeling of progression (i.e. healing from PFS im sure gave it) is what we need IMO. without it we also feel like we stagnate and get miserable.

Yea it is miserable. Not a way to live life. I agree with what you said. Skill progression can be satisfying I used to play sports too a lot and do music instruments. I think I just need to find something else to put my mind to and stop focussing so much on myself and putting myself next to some out of reach person with a completely different life. It's a bad habit. It's a habit I got from PFS because if I did not focus on myself I would not be able to get better as well. I had to do it for a while.

Anyways, I hope you'll get back to playing sports well again. At the end of the day my goal here was to get back to normal which I am (and better). I think that's the goal of most people here. To live a healthy and fulfilling life

 

[Aleksandr]

Yea it is miserable. Not a way to live life. I agree with what you said. Skill progression can be satisfying I used to play sports too a lot and do music instruments. I think I just need to find something else to put my mind to and stop focussing so much on myself and putting myself next to some out of reach person with a completely different life. It's a bad habit. It's a habit I got from PFS because if I did not focus on myself I would not be able to get better as well. I had to do it for a while.

Anyways, I hope you'll get back to playing sports well again. At the end of the day my goal here was to get back to normal which I am (and better). I think that's the goal of most people here. To live a healthy and fulfilling life

thanks and nice!
you could chat with chatGPT to help you pick a hobby perhaps. i think something at the intersection of a lot of things that you like is ideal.

for example, tennis for me hits a lot of things, its a perfect intersection: i like being outside, i like exercise, i like competing, i like that theres a social aspect, i like that the rules are simple and its easy to get into a 'flow' state doing it.

 

[esp90]

Yes of course you can have a better life relative to your old life. I'm much healthier now. But even in this state I don't get to the level of people with good genetics. All I'm saying.

@esp90 Stopped my hairloss without finasteride, muscular and lean, eyesight improved to almost 100% vs. needing glasses, stronger in the gym, fast recovery, faster thinking, strong libido etc. all signs of better metabolism.

How did you stop hairloss? You did TEI to get all those benefits?

 

[esp90]

What did you do @esp90 to get those improvements?

I saw your log here, was it TEI balancing that fixed you? How many cycles did you do?

esp90 log

So I've done a couple of post before but I thought I'd make a proper log. I've had poor health since I was like 13, thats when I went to my first naturopath and he told me to quit sugar ect. When I was 16 I started noticing a condition called Keratosis Pilaris (chicken skin) and redness on...

hackstas.is

I am not fixed, i did 2 rounds of TEI and only from reading my log now i realize i had benefits from it, my problem is i dont stick to my plan and always quit to try new things, i imagine i might have to be on TEI for years before id be good. I might get back on it soon. Ive been into thr whole Vit A toxicity thing, listening to Garrett smith alot, but it might be a dead end i dont know. Anyone try his protocol?

 

[Aleksandr]

I am not fixed, i did 2 rounds of TEI and only from reading my log now i realize i had benefits from it, my problem is i dont stick to my plan and always quit to try new things, i imagine i might have to be on TEI for years before id be good. I might get back on it soon. Ive been into thr whole Vit A toxicity thing, listening to Garrett smith alot, but it might be a dead end i dont know. Anyone try his protocol?

Bro literally I was the same. Did a few rounds of TEI (i did 5 htmas but only2 or 3 i followed the supps properly), got a lot more balanced, got health benefits, stopped doing it, started getting knee pain a few years later, now I've been into the low vit A stuff (did the diet for about a year).

Thought i had some benefit at the start, but might have just mentally fooled myself. My knee pain was worse than ever at the start, and now after 2.5 weeks doing a NB type approach the knee pain has improved more than it ever did on low vit A.

I will avoid having cod liver oil and organ meats in the future though... just incase.

 

[esp90]

Bro literally I was the same. Did a few rounds of TEI (i did 5 htmas but only2 or 3 i followed the supps properly), got a lot more balanced, got health benefits, stopped doing it, started getting knee pain a few years later, now I've been into the low vit A stuff (did the diet for about a year).

Thought i had some benefit at the start, but might have just mentally fooled myself. My knee pain was worse than ever at the start, and now after 2.5 weeks doing a NB type approach the knee pain has improved more than it ever did on low vit A.

I will avoid having cod liver oil and organ meats in the future though... just incase.

Interesting. Did you do the supps garett recomends too? The magnesium, potassium, zinc, niacin ect or just the diet?

Yeah I will probably avoid those indefinitely too. I am copper toxic and TEI was treating my like im a fast oxidizer when im really a slow oxidizer (which my latest hairtest shows. TEI was giving me copper. I did a hairtest last year through ARL and I was no longer in four lows so thats good i guess, but im tempted to do a new one with TEI and just pray they consider me slow now too and dont suggest copper supplements.

 

[Aleksandr]

Interesting. Did you do the supps garett recomends too? The magnesium, potassium, zinc, niacin ect or just the diet?

Yeah I will probably avoid those indefinitely too. I am copper toxic and TEI was treating my like im a fast oxidizer when im really a slow oxidizer (which my latest hairtest shows. TEI was giving me copper. I did a hairtest last year through ARL and I was no longer in four lows so thats good i guess, but im tempted to do a new one with TEI and just pray they consider me slow now too and dont suggest copper supplements.

no i followed the advice of grant genereux, the founder of the idea Ideas, Concepts, and Observations


how do you know you're copper toxic? i thought copper was supposed to push you into a calcium shell, wouldn't have thought it was possible to be copper toxic and 4 lows.

 

[Yura]

I just scrolled trough this whole thread and I mean my anxiety is really high now lol. I mean this is crazy bruschi11. Like you can't recover when your brain goes 500km/h thinking 24/7 about every single pathway in the body. Your body is stuck in sympathetic mode and the body simply can't function properly and that is exactly how people get just worse and worse. Btw I am interested in this oligoscan, but like I said if my main issue is bioavailable copper it will not show if my liver is full of it or not. I was disappointed when I learned it scans only hand.. I wish there would be scan like MRI where it would show what metals, minerals and vitamins are in each tissue, organ etc.. That would be game changer.. I think it will be available to average person at some point. But not for us unfortunately..