I got copper for everyone! Sky high tissue copper. Hair mineral analysis

HerrFisch

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It says Slow 1.

I dont really know if its possible for me to increase my oxidation rate that much.

But Im trying Zinc +manganese already to get that excess copper down.
I hope after I get that done I will be back to a more active day.

Im doing sports almost every day since I was 12. So slow 1 was a surprise but with ulcerative Colitis and its medications its probably "normal".
 

HerrFisch

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I just read my Hair analysis suggested minerals / supplements:

2g vitamin C
125mg Zinc!!
75 mg manganese !
B vitamins
300mg potassium
20mg iron
900mg magnesium
150mg B6
HCL Betain
400Ui Vitamin E
Adrenal Glandular (bovine) 500mg !!

Some of that seems pretty much to me ?
[mention]m_arch[/mention] did you get suggestions and tried those?
 

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HerrFisch post_id=1809 time=1508333332 user_id=114 said:
Just found out that I have copper pipes in my home.
I will drink bottled water for some time now. @Canari What about your water pipes at home?
No copper at all here, so for over 6 years. Before yes, copper all my life, and a few years with IUD (I think this you did not!). :lol:
Now I am more prone to get lead in my water! Also what can go out of PVC in the sun... kilometers of 40 years old tubes in the mountains...
What I am sure to not have is chlore.
 

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HerrFisch post_id=1809 time=1508333332 user_id=114 said:
Just found out that I have copper pipes in my home.
I will drink bottled water for some time now.

@Canari What about your water pipes at home?

You can get water filters that remove copper.
 

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HerrFisch post_id=1681 time=1508255615 user_id=114 said:
I just read my Hair analysis suggested minerals / supplements:

2g vitamin C
125mg Zinc!!
75 mg manganese !
B vitamins
300mg potassium
20mg iron
900mg magnesium
150mg B6
HCL Betain
400Ui Vitamin E
Adrenal Glandular (bovine) 500mg !!

Some of that seems pretty much to me ?
@m_arch did you get suggestions and tried those?

No how did you get this list? Did you do your test throigh a practitoner?
 

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HerrFisch post_id=1941 time=1508413101 user_id=114 said:
@m_arch I got around 30pages of suggestions and informations with my hair results. And some supplements which were in complexes like b complex, adrenal complex, zmc ...
but I listed every mineral/ vitamin added up.

Oh was it because you did your test with ARL?
 

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I read on arl that sulphur binds to copper. I'm having amazing results with msm at 2 grams per day. It seems all the sugar I consumed also gave me a sulphur deficiency which the msm is correcting.
 

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Another way to correct sulphur deficiency, and specifically the type of sulphur deficiency that matters at the level of protein structure, is to consume more cysteine rich meats.

Somewhere along the way everyone got this idea in their head that cysteine was evil and to be avoided at all cost. But it's the only molecule that's ubiquitously capable of forming disulfide bridges in protein structure (yes, technically methionine can do this also, but it's not as common in bridging because the sulphur head doesn't occupy the terminal end).

Decreasing sodium intake temporarily will also help retain cysteine, but that's not a good long term strategy.
 

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happenstance post_id=3060 time=1509390990 user_id=99 said:
I read on arl that sulphur binds to copper. I'm having amazing results with msm at 2 grams per day. It seems all the sugar I consumed also gave me a sulphur deficiency which the msm is correcting.

Great that it is working for you!
I took MSM temporarily up to 8grams day for other problems / detox.

Besides fast growing hair it only helped in the beginning for my ganglion to disappear.
 

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HerrFisch post_id=4959 time=1511477099 user_id=114 said:
Im going to do another hair testing. Im at week 4-5 with zinc, manganese and taurine, week 2 with GB-3 and sometimes artichoke & milk thistle.

Maybe my copper levels changed already. But I heard it can be months to a year to detox copper. And mine is pretty high.

I think you need to wait at least 3-4 months before you re-test to see results
 

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m_arch post_id=1568 time=1508158396 user_id=66 said:
Copper is a seditative mineral.
m_arch,bro, how come copper is a sedative mineral if DBH which converts to dopamine to noradrenaline is a copper containing enzyme ? (noradrenaline make you wired,alert)
 

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happenstance post_id=3060 time=1509390990 user_id=99 said:
I read on arl that sulphur binds to copper. I'm having amazing results with msm at 2 grams per day. It seems all the sugar I consumed also gave me a sulphur deficiency which the msm is correcting.

What results are you reporting?
 

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dante post_id=4973 time=1511503127 user_id=109 said:
m_arch post_id=1568 time=1508158396 user_id=66 said:
Copper is a seditative mineral.
m_arch,bro, how come copper is a sedative mineral if DBH which converts to dopamine to noradrenaline is a copper containing enzyme ? (noradrenaline make you wired,alert)
I don't know - its probably a lot more complicated than that though. Minerals set off many enzyme reactions which has a cascade of effects on the body... not just one. It said copper was sedative in the trace elements info
 

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wuf post_id=4974 time=1511513118 user_id=65 said:
happenstance post_id=3060 time=1509390990 user_id=99 said:
I read on arl that sulphur binds to copper. I'm having amazing results with msm at 2 grams per day. It seems all the sugar I consumed also gave me a sulphur deficiency which the msm is correcting.

What results are you reporting?

Absence of brainfog and more robust digestion. However it made me look more tired after a while. I think it was not good that it took potassium out of cells. I focus more on potassium chloride now. I'll reintroduce it later to see.
 

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HerrFisch post_id=4959 time=1511477099 user_id=114 said:
Im going to do another hair testing. Im at week 4-5 with zinc, manganese and taurine, week 2 with GB-3 and sometimes artichoke & milk thistle.

Maybe my copper levels changed already. But I heard it can be months to a year to detox copper. And mine is pretty high.

Ok its actually 9-10 weeks of zinc and manganese. Was wrong with that. Just looked at my notes.

But youre still right [mention]m_arch[/mention] . Maybe too early.
 

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m_arch post_id=4981 time=1511529216 user_id=66 said:
dante post_id=4973 time=1511503127 user_id=109 said:
m_arch post_id=1568 time=1508158396 user_id=66 said:
Copper is a seditative mineral.
m_arch,bro, how come copper is a sedative mineral if DBH which converts to dopamine to noradrenaline is a copper containing enzyme ? (noradrenaline make you wired,alert)
I don't know - its probably a lot more complicated than that though. Minerals set off many enzyme reactions which has a cascade of effects on the body... not just one. It said copper was sedative in the trace elements info

Copper is definitely NOT sedative. I haven't heard of any user experience describe it that way. I've heard of "calming" and as a serenic but most users end up getting overstimulated with it.
 

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"Copper toxicity is a major factor in irritable bowel syndrome because copper is excreted through the bile and certain things will cause you to suddenly dump copper. If you have been building up copper, anything that causes an increase in your metabolic rate will cause a copper dump and it comes out through the bile. If you are copper toxic and suddenly under a lot of stress, this may bring on an irritable bowel episode because suddenly excess copper is moving through your bowels and irritating them"

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/mental-emotional-health/metals-and-the-mind/
[mention]Canari[/mention] interesting! :p

DITTO

The tendency of copper to build up in the body is similar to iron, which is another essential nutrient that is also a heavy metal. They’re both highly electrical, very conductive metals that produce a lot of free radical activity and have to be bound by special proteins, such as ceruloplasmin and metallothioine. The production of these proteins is controlled by the adrenal glands, and they are produced in the liver. If the adrenals are not functioning properly and the liver is impaired, possibly from copper buildup, you will not produce these binding proteins, so copper remains in free form. That makes it a toxic and reactive free-radical generator capable of causing a lot of damage.

When this happens, the body starts to sequester it. It tries to stash it somewhere so it will do less damage. Thus, while you may be building up a lot of copper in your body, you may also have the symptoms of copper deficiency because the copper is bio-unavailable. The copper is not in a usable form so you will have both deficiency symptoms and symptoms of toxicity.

The body has an intricate system of checks and balances which operate through the mineral levels and ratios. If you are deficient in one mineral, another mineral accumulates and can become excessive. For example, when sodium and potassium levels go down, calcium and magnesium rise. When copper drops, iron increases. If zinc rises, copper goes down. If iron rises, chromium goes up. There is a constant and complex dance of minerals going on in the body, and the body very specifically retains and releases minerals in order to control certain body functions.

When we retain copper, this makes sodium rise. Sodium is required to produce aldosterone, the adrenal cortex hormone that causes sodium retention and high blood pressure when produced in excess. An increase in aldosterone is a defense against stress—you need that high aldosterone production during a fight-or-flight state, when you are trying to guard yourself in some way against a threat. When aldosterone increases, the body retains copper and releases magnesium, which is a calming mineral that slows you down. That is why a lot of people use it to sleep or to relieve muscle cramping. So if you are going into fight or flight, your body drops the magnesium very quickly. It is the first thing to go, because the body is trying to rev up. Increased aldosterone production will also cause a drop in zinc, which allows the copper to be retained and the sodium to go up.

The increase in copper is stimulating, it gets you going, which is just what you need in the short term. But chronic unremitting stress never gives you time to recover, you never get to address your biochemical imbalance, you never have that down time to excrete the excess copper now.

When your adrenal glands are in great shape, you can excrete excess copper whenever you need to. But when your adrenal glands are just hanging on by their fingernails, just barely able to mount a stress reponse, you have an excess of stimulating copper. It becomes very hard to go to sleep and the mind races. You think, think, think, worry, worry, worry, and all of that makes it worse. You are always worn out. In fact, people with chronic fatigue often wake up tired because they don’t really ever rest.

We also use up tryptophan in these situations, as tryptophan is needed for serotonin production. Serotonin is used up under stress. You can’t replace your tryptophan by eating turkey when it is being used up so quickly. What this tells me is that the body is not designed to be constantly under stress. We are meant to spend time sitting in a hammock somewhere, or weaving a basket!