I got copper for everyone! Sky high tissue copper. Hair mineral analysis

[HerrFisch]

In some circumstances if the
discomfort gets to the point that it may interfere with
normal daily activities the detoxification process can be
lessened or stopped completely. The process can be
lessened by stopping or reducing the specific
supplementation for a few days in order to reduce the
discomfort. Detoxification can be stopped completely
by taking lecithin. Lecithin will in effect stop
mobilization of heavy metals from storage and reduce
the discomfort almost immediately. By the way, it is
important that patients undergoing detoxification are not
taking lecithin or other high phosphorous containing
products such as phosphatidyl choline or serine as they
may prevent mobilization of heavy metals.

FYI if you try to get rid of hm.

http://www.traceelements.com/Docs/News%20June-July%202009.pdf

 

[HerrFisch]

@gbolduev do you think taking some copper during "copper chelating" would be good?.
I feels some joint issues coming up.

 

[Nina]

I think copper is a sedative by increasing calcium levels and decreasing adrenal ouput. It inhibits cortisol secretion

 

[Canari]

Good find...

Lecithin will in effect stop mobilization of heavy metals from storage and reduce the discomfort almost immediately. By the way, it is important that patients undergoing detoxification are not taking lecithin or other high phosphorous containing products such as phosphatidyl choline or serine as they may prevent mobilization of heavy metals.

Is it because lecithin makes us produce less bile?
Eating a lot of eggs could then prevent mobilize HM?

 

[Canari]

@gbolduev do you think taking some copper during "copper chelating" would be good?.
I feels some joint issues coming up.

I have a question about the biovaibility of copper in supp? Like copper gluconate... Is copper in food always bioavailable and better? In what form is copper in food?

 

[HerrFisch]

Update:

My Copper went down from 16.2 to 8. Its still higher than the scale but its going in the right direction

Significant changes also are:

Calcium 81 -> 55
Zinc 13 -> 18
Phosphorus 13 ->18
Sulfur 4630 ->5454

According to @m_arch Summary on Mineral Ratios , my metabolic rate (Ca/P) is now in range, and thyroid ratio (Ca/K) got better too. Maybe my TSH will be lower next time too?.






Old ones from September / October

 

[Aleksandr]

Update:

My Copper went down from 16.2 to 8. Its still higher than the scale but its going in the right direction

Significant changes also are:

Calcium 81 -> 55
Zinc 13 -> 18
Phosphorus 13 ->18
Sulfur 4630 ->5454

According to @m_arch Summary on Mineral Ratios , my metabolic rate (Ca/P) is now in range, and thyroid ratio (Ca/K) got better too. Maybe my TSH will be lower next time too?.



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Wow great news!! What supplements did you end up taking? Any diet / lifestyle changes?

 

[HerrFisch]

Yes Currently Im taking to lower copper

Carnosine ~2g
Zinc 35mg (in the beginning 60mg)
manganese 12mg

3 days /week
molybdenum 150ug
potassium 3000mg
magnesium 400mg
taurine 3g
b1,b2 ~50mg

 

[Canari]

Good news! I am so happy for you!
Are you doing something to help keep more iron? Reverse from me of course, you have it low.
Are you attracted by iron rich food like specialties with pork blood (dunno the name!)

@gbolduev do you think taking some copper during "copper chelating" would be good?.
I feels some joint issues coming up.

I think copper is a sedative by increasing calcium levels and decreasing adrenal ouput. It inhibits cortisol secretion

Copper seem to be exciting the brain and is a stimulant. It increases calcium ratio, but by lowering the others like P and K. I have a topic running on about copper and histamine. I started it early october, as I was suspecting histamine issues for me for years. Copper and zinc informations are all over the place in the forum because it is so fundamental!

I would like if you can post there if you have issues that have to do with histamine.....

 

[Aleksandr]

Yes Currently Im taking to lower copper

Carnosine ~2g
Zinc 35mg (in the beginning 60mg)
manganese 12mg

3 days /week
molybdenum 150ug
potassium 3000mg
magnesium 400mg
taurine 3g
b1,b2 ~50mg

Nice - so this change was only supplements, and no diet/lifestyle changes?

 

[HerrFisch]

@gbolduev

How do you connect joint problems with copper / estrogen?
I never had any but now with starting to get rid of copper I got some pretty bad.

But Im not sure if its due to to much copper in the blood or copper missing from chelation.

 

[Helen]

@HerrFisch

just try lysine plus C

I think chelation is causing more free copper and that free copper just binds to lysine in your case.

 

[Helen]

I think in your situation taking lysine plus vitamin C = will raise ferritin. will bind copper and restore metabolism

if you feel like there is too little copper, just add it. your body was wasting copper from the enzymes.

Look into GHK thread

 

[HerrFisch]

I will try 2g lysine /ed

So too much free and maybe to litte bioavailable copper?
But how could I be wasting copper from enzymes when I was deficient in it?

This whole copper chelation and toxicity got me so confused, could you try to explain it?
I read so much different explanations, Im not sure whats right and wrong.

 

[Helen]

free copper is when there are other parts of enzymes missing, so you are losing this copper as free copper. if this goes on for a while. you can actually be low on copper in the cell, and high in the liver. Zinc and manganese just increase metabolism , so they push copper out of the liver. but then you are faced with the same problems as before nothing to bind it with.

lets say you have lysyl oxidase. but you are missing vitramin C and lysine, boom copper stays free. this copper goes and binds to tyrosine and lowers your thyroid, or goes and binds to histidine and increases HDC

then you take lysine and vitamin C , boom that binds some of your free copper and that free copper does not activate DAO again. and it does not activate tyrosinase. And your connective tissue gets better.

this is why I recommended for you , may be even quit zinc and manganese and try lysine and C and then you add histidine and copper later.

You see I think in your case, the over activation of DAO is the culpit , free copper binds to histidine in DAO. So I am hoping if you add lysine and C, copper will bind there, this will build your connective tissue, including the gut. and this will also lower DAO. As DAO goes down, histidine will go up in blood. and HDC will go down.


Read GHK thread. I write a lot of things there.

 

[Orion]

then you take lysine and vitamin C

What vitamin C sources or supplements to you think are best to test with? Sodium Ascorbate? Whole foods?

 

[Helen]

What vitamin C sources or supplements to you think are best to test with? Sodium Ascorbate? Whole foods?

ascorbic acid is just fine. Some gurus talk about whole vitamin C just because it has both copper and vitamin C, but for fast oxidizer that copper will not be enough.

 

[Raincoast]

Does Taurine fit in here in any way?

 

[Helen]

Does Taurine fit in here in any way?

taurine will be increased by lysine. since HDC will go down. and histidine will go up. So taurine will go up on its own. Since this free histidine will activate CDO enzyme and convert cysteine down to taurine path. but yes it helps copper mobilization

 

[Raincoast]

I was a slow oxidizer with high Copper, and 4 lows in Sept. So I did zinc30/mang10/moly100/taurine3000/Carnosine500 for the last four months. Now super bad nighttime back pain kicks in after 4 hours in bed. Used to get it maybe once a year for a day or two. But steady for the last month. I've been doing the zinc finger thing (complete) for a month. Added Lysine and C as of the last week or so. Back was painful, been taking 1 ibfroben400 before bed for a week, hoping when I stop pain will stay down. Noticed months of nighttime wood have weakened major in last week. I'm hoping it's my cold.
So now I will just do Lysine & C for a while? Reintroduce the Histidine, Serine, Aspartic, minerals (in moderation) later?
I will submit for another ARL soon. Hair is as healthy as at 16! (43 now)