Ihatefin log

[IHateFin]

Do you mind elaborating about your libido and morning wood before RU and when you first had PFS. Were they practically zero or like 25% or 50% etc. of your normal levels before you took fin?

Did you ever try R-andro before RU? so you think RU made you more sensitive to androgens.

I have had PFS for a few years so libido has veried based on things tried. When I first crashed I had 0 libido and 0 wood.
Prior to ru I had very inconsistent wood and 20% libido
After ru my wood was more consistent and so was libido. There were days I was a horn dog n felt great! It also increased response to androgens.
Now my wood is hard every night to various degrees and libido consistently there at least at 40 - 50% but on good days at 80% this is after some Randro cycles too.

I did try Randro before ru but not in very high doses. 200mg was the most I took and 3 days in a row was the most I did. I never felt anything from it other then a good day after I stopped on day 4 only to be poop again.

Now if I even take 100mg I feel it immediately with crazy warmth n vascularity, but I keep doses at 400mg a day.

Next cycle im adding 4andro

 

[Flynn]

I have had PFS for a few years so libido has veried based on things tried. When I first crashed I had 0 libido and 0 wood.
Prior to ru I had very inconsistent wood and 20% libido
After ru my wood was more consistent and so was libido. There were days I was a horn dog n felt great! It also increased response to androgens.
Now my wood is hard every night to various degrees and libido consistently there at least at 40 - 50% but on good days at 80% this is after some Randro cycles too.

I did try Randro before ru but not in very high doses. 200mg was the most I took and 3 days in a row was the most I did. I never felt anything from it other then a good day after I stopped on day 4 only to be poop again.

Now if I even take 100mg I feel it immediately with crazy warmth n vascularity, but I keep doses at 400mg a day.

Next cycle im adding 4andro

Thanks for replying. Thats interesting.

So you think RU made you far more responsive to effect of androgens.

 

[IHateFin]

Thanks for replying. Thats interesting.

So you think RU made you far more responsive to effect of androgens.

I think it definitely helped. I even took proviron shortly after first ru cycle n it was day n night.

 

[B_D_Acc]

I think it definitely helped. I even took proviron shortly after first ru cycle n it was day n night.

What dose and duration did you use for your RU run?

Ordered some from the place in Source Talk and gonna give it a go.

 

[IHateFin]

What dose and duration did you use for your RU run?

Ordered some from the place in Source Talk and gonna give it a go.

on first cycle i ran it 3 days 50mg/50mg/100mg
i would have rather done 50mg on that 3rd dose cuz thats when i was hit with too much blocked cortisol so it jacked up my adrenaline and gave me anxiety that night i took it so i didnt sleep well, but it still did me well.

the 2nd cycle which wasnt very fruitful but had some amazing times while on it only to fall to prolactin sides was 9 days at 50mg every other day.

 

[IHateFin]

update!

i have been off my Randro cycle that lasted 3 weeks for almost 5 weeks now and 5 weeks will be this Sunday technically and a few interesting things to update on.

first couple weeks of PCT and herb cycling i felt like i was still taking Randro as i had massive pumps and super achy joints just as i did before.
after those two weeks were done with i made some gainz back and pumps were still unreal. i noticed that my stregnth in the gym was still going up and i fel like i could be in there all day.
libido was inconsistent, but there always and mood was good.

as of 01/25/2018 i started taking 8 to 20g of msm aka organic sulphur and holy mother of god....
mood went through the roof, libido was great, morning wood was a rock and didnt die so soon after waking up, personality was back, and dick sensativity was 100% prefin which i thought it already was but i was wrong. MSM/ sulphur binds to all the toxic metals in the body so you can simply piss them all out and clears calcium build up among a myriad of other things.
only issue is i alkready had high night cortisol so it exacerbated it so i had to start taking seriphos at night to lower this and regulate it. i have noticed my skin n hair is feeling great although i do break out more like the way i did prefin which is good. i also notice better facial hair growth and new hairs on my arm and longer hair on my arm as well.
oddly i noticed i respond differently to tribulous now. after one pill of my usual tribulous its like day n night mood waise and i get a rise in energy in the morning similar to the rise i get when i raise my morning cortisol levels.
tribulous now strongly opposes p[rogesterone or something because i feel so good when i take it now and i get the tingles in my scalp too.

tonight i will be taking some glycine to see if i respond better to its 5AR upregulating properties than i did when i used it back last summer.

i have also bought grass fed gelatin to help heal my gut.

i seem to have developed leaky gut and food allergy symptoms after week 1 of PCT for some reason. all of a sudden eggs were giving me massive cramps like they did back when i was in high school even though i was able to eat them fine for like 2 months. i am now sensitive to bananas and avocados too and anytime i eat them i get bloated, cramps from hell and burp a lot. i even get itchy and eczema. this is odd and basically means some changes or something has caused my gut lining to be compromised. the biggest item i have found that can reverse this is the gelatin since its high in glycine and proline which heal the gut wall. thats where i am now and i hop to hop on another cycle of randro by the end of this month.

 

[IHateFin]

another quick update
02/10/2018:

so today i took gelatin by Great Lakes and there is definite 5ar activity going on here.
i am currently taking this for leaky gut, but known that this stuff increase 5ar and i can tell as after 1 hour of downing 1tbsp i noticed my libido go up and i was at work at the time so i had to go masterbate in the bathroom since it came on so suddenly.
i then noticed my scalp tingled up a storm and i was wearing a hat so i thought maybe i was feeling the hat on my head, but i was pooping later and took my hat off and started running my hands through my hair and i shed so much hair. i have not shed this much in a very long time. the hairs that shed were both thick and thin dead looking hairs just like back in the day. i also noticed my claves felt tighter and i just wanted to flex n get a pump. good feeling, but nothing too out of the ordinary since finishing my 2nd Randro.

i came home and took 1 tsp this time and my scalp has felt like it has a constant burn ever since. shedding hasnt increased more than what i saw at work while pooping, but i definitly know that 5AR is up and it feels good. im looking forward to my lift tomorrow

this stuff is interesting as it gels up the water i take it in very quickly and it has no real taste and its great in protein since its made from bovine bone and skin.

here is what i got for reference:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A1GDC34/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

i wasnt expecting any real effects so soon much less an hour after taking. would be something new to look into.

i read one of the reviews on here some guy used it for a week and noticed he started growing a beard in areas where it wasnt growing before. DHT would be the key hormone to make sure that happens no doubt.

 

[IHateFin]

another quick update:

02/11/2018

i just finished an amazing work out and felt very strong and warm AF. after dosing my gelatin, msm, boron, tongkat ali, trib today and potassium my scalp is feeling like little prickles or little needles. classic dht itch.

i know solving this is not through upregulation of 5ar, but the gelatin works all too well at it and im enjoying it very much.

 

[TubZy]

another quick update:

02/11/2018

i just finished an amazing work out and felt very strong and warm AF. after dosing my gelatin, msm, boron, tongkat ali, trib today and potassium my scalp is feeling like little prickles or little needles. classic dht itch.

i know solving this is not through upregulation of 5ar, but the gelatin works all too well at it and im enjoying it very much.

Probably the combo of potassium and gelatin doing the work. Did you see the post on gelatin and potassium? Potassium and magnesium chloride fix any sides I got from gelatin.

 

[stupidfreak]

I have had PFS for a few years so libido has veried based on things tried. When I first crashed I had 0 libido and 0 wood.
Prior to ru I had very inconsistent wood and 20% libido
After ru my wood was more consistent and so was libido. There were days I was a horn dog n felt great! It also increased response to androgens.
Now my wood is hard every night to various degrees and libido consistently there at least at 40 - 50% but on good days at 80% this is after some Randro cycles too.

I did try Randro before ru but not in very high doses. 200mg was the most I took and 3 days in a row was the most I did. I never felt anything from it other then a good day after I stopped on day 4 only to be poop again.

Now if I even take 100mg I feel it immediately with crazy warmth n vascularity, but I keep doses at 400mg a day.

Next cycle im adding 4andro

When did you crash?I saw your posts on propeciahelp,your first one dates 2011.You said your libido came back fully after 15 days.

Have anybody had long lasting recoveries after ru?Or does it work only for short period of time?

Really glad to see some people recover,how good are you now compared to pre-fin state?

 

[Helen]

@IHateFin

Glycine lowers metabolism. If you are taking potassium chloride that is why gelatin works. usually gelatin lowers libido . this is why it never worked for people on Ray peat forum..
Since glycine is excitatory when chloride is not there/

You killed your potassium with all these sups. hence leaky gut

Look at health protocol. it is explained about gelatin there , glycine and all other stuff. Be good amigo

If you keep taking MSM you will have crazy food sensitivities. And allergies, be ready. MSM kills molybdenum and killed moly will turn off aldehydes enzymes

YOu keep taking all these things in random order. It does not work this way, you always go from one imbalance to another. Just take balanced stuff. Sulfur will fall if moly is not present, then sulfur can cause hypoxia. It needs to be balanced.


Remember sulfur lowers chloride. Sulfur lowers oxygen. Glycine needs chloride. Without chloride all these wont work. Chloride needs potassium.

If you take potassium chloride alone, your scalp will be prickly without all other supps..

Glycine is a NDMA receptor agonist , same as DHEA. It is the potassium chloride which allows you to tolerate it. I never understood how people on Ray peat forum tolerated glycine with all that milk and calcium that they were taking. It just made it all worse.

When you take potassium chloride , you can tolerate glycine and tolerate dhea. Glycine does not increase 5 alpha. It lowers 5 alpha on its own. That is why gelatin caused crashes for PFS people

 

[TubZy]

@mattyb

Glycine is an inhibitory neurotransmitter in the central nervous system, especially in the spinal cord, brainstem, and retina. When glycine receptors are activated, chloride enters the neuron via ionotropic receptors, causing an Inhibitory postsynaptic potential (IPSP). Strychnine is a strong antagonist at ionotropic glycine receptors, whereas bicuculline is a weak one. Glycine is a required co-agonist along with glutamate for NMDA receptors. In contrast to the inhibitory role of glycine in the spinal cord, this behaviour is facilitated at the (NMDA) glutamatergic receptors which are excitatory.[20] The LD50 of glycine is 7930 mg/kg in rats (oral),[21] and it usually causes death by hyperexcitability.

This is why chloride is so important. and that is why PFS people @TubZy felt terrible on gelatin . Since without chloride glycine is only excitatory

And now after chloride and electrolytes potassium back to normal, he can tolerate gelatin

Before when I gave some people glycine in PFS some had epilepsy and trips. With HCL and potassium it never happened.

 

[IHateFin]

When did you crash?I saw your posts on propeciahelp,your first one dates 2011.You said your libido came back fully after 15 days.

Have anybody had long lasting recoveries after ru?Or does it work only for short period of time?

Really glad to see some people recover,how good are you now compared to pre-fin state?

thats a different guy haha theres a guy on propecia help with the same name. i crashed in 2014 not 2011.
in 2011 i was so horny i could die lol that was my senior year of high school

 

[IHateFin]

Probably the combo of potassium and gelatin doing the work. Did you see the post on gelatin and potassium? Potassium and magnesium chloride fix any sides I got from gelatin.

interesting. i actually dont take potassium chloride but i do take potassium citrate. can that also help with gelatin sides or it has to be chloride? i may switch to potassium chloride then.

 

[IHateFin]

@IHateFin

Glycine lowers metabolism. If you are taking potassium chloride that is why gelatin works. usually gelatin lowers libido . this is why it never worked for people on Ray peat forum..
Since glycine is excitatory when chloride is not there/

You killed your potassium with all these sups. hence leaky gut

Look at health protocol. it is explained about gelatin there , glycine and all other stuff. Be good amigo

If you keep taking MSM you will have crazy food sensitivities. And allergies, be ready. MSM kills molybdenum and killed moly will turn off aldehydes enzymes

YOu keep taking all these things in random order. It does not work this way, you always go from one imbalance to another. Just take balanced stuff. Sulfur will fall if moly is not present, then sulfur can cause hypoxia. It needs to be balanced.


Remember sulfur lowers chloride. Sulfur lowers oxygen. Glycine needs chloride. Without chloride all these wont work. Chloride needs potassium.

If you take potassium chloride alone, your scalp will be prickly without all other supps..

Glycine is a NDMA receptor agonist , same as DHEA. It is the potassium chloride which allows you to tolerate it. I never understood how people on Ray peat forum tolerated glycine with all that milk and calcium that they were taking. It just made it all worse.

When you take potassium chloride , you can tolerate glycine and tolerate dhea. Glycine does not increase 5 alpha. It lowers 5 alpha on its own. That is why gelatin caused crashes for PFS people

sulphur makes me feel good tho. like when i started taking it i felt great and still do when i take it. i take potassium, but its not chloride its citrate. gelatin makes me feel good rn and raises alpha feeling and prickles. ill lay off of both sulphur and gelatin for a few days n see what happens. maybe a bounce back to something even further?

if i add potassium chloride instead of citrate will i feel even better on gelatin?

i also wanna clearify that leaky gut symptoms started 2 weeks before i started either gelatin and msm/ sulphur. gelatin has calmed my gut and i even had a tummy cramp the first day i took it since i ate a little bit of something i was started to get sensative to and the cramp went away 20 min after ingesting the gelatin.

im pretty confused as what i should do now since everything you said about how i should be feeling on this stuff is the exact opposite of what im actually feeling. is it the potassium citrate???

 

[tanedout]

What sort of sides are you guys getting from gelatine? I've just got some delivered, and I'm already taking potassium chloride, but want to know what to look out for!

 

[Helen]

What sort of sides are you guys getting from gelatine? I've just got some delivered, and I'm already taking potassium chloride, but want to know what to look out for!

taking potassium chloride? well that will increase your aldosterone.

 

[IHateFin]

taking potassium chloride? well that will increase your aldosterone.

I have potassium chloride in order. I'll check out the health thread n see what doses you suggest

 

[IHateFin]

I have just ordered some pharmacutical grade magnesium chloride from Amazon as well.

I will reintroduce gelatin and sulphur once I start taking 100mg at least of both the potassium and magnesium hcl.
I also already have digestive enzymes so I will be adding those to my meals starting tonight when I am home from work.

 

[IHateFin]

I also plan to hop back onto Randro starting on Sunday coming up which is the 18th I believe.

If this new combo goes well I may push it back but we shall see

here is the plan for Thursday:
typical morning sups at wake:
selenium 200mcg
borax/boron: 10mg
creatine monohydrate 2g
tongkat ali 600mg
(cistanche maybe cycled)
Ionic iodine 5 drops/ .25ml

now add:
100mg of both potassium chloride and magnesium chloride

30 min see how I feel

then take 1TBSP of gelatin
100mg again of potassium HCL
and take moderate msm <=4g

thoughts?

should I add more potassium or should that be sufficient?
@gbolduev