RU Trials continued

[jacknap]

Interestingly, on propeciahelp.com they are aware of (these?) RU trials, and warn against it
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11778

The guy who made that thread is still decades behind and doesn't even realize what he is talking about, he is still on the "increase AR" trend, good luck to him, that strategy has almost been talked about for the last ten years..

shit milk thistle is 5ar? i've been using it as it's part of my artichoke extract fuck LOL.

 

[TubZy]

Interestingly, on propeciahelp.com they are aware of (these?) RU trials, and warn against it
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11778

The guy who made that thread is still decades behind and doesn't even realize what he is talking about, he is still on the "increase AR" trend, good luck to him, that strategy has almost been talked about for the last ten years..

shit milk thistle is 5ar? i've been using it as it's part of my artichoke extract fuck LOL.

Not a 5ARi, but I think it blocks or degrades the AR making it anti androgenic, it is also talked about in the BB circle since you don't want to take oral steroids with it at the same time and it can lessen the effect.

For liver support, TUDCA is king anyways, that was my go to always.

 

[TubZy]

That dude also believes TRT is the answer which is completely false and a disaster. That forum is full of guys who did TRT and had awful outcomes.

Yup, and that is why PH is still decades behind for anything and yet has still never done anything.

 

[jacknap]

That dude also believes TRT is the answer which is completely false and a disaster. That forum is full of guys who did TRT and had awful outcomes.

Yup, and that is why PH is still decades behind for anything and yet has still never done anything.

crazy progesterone is also 5ar inhibitor (according to this article)

http://www.larabriden.com/best-natural-anti-androgen-treatments-hirsutism/

 

[joekool]

Hey [mention]jacknap[/mention] , progesterone has a high affinity to 5ar, sucking it up at a high rate so it doesn't have time to convert Test to dht. Hence why fin starts as a progesterone and is syntheticly converted.

As far as [mention]IHateFin[/mention] theory. I think it makes sense... i would say someone should try RU as you described but with prescription strength test or dht rather than a trib , creatine chaser. I'm just thinking things should be potent here. Just my opinion

 

[expendable]

Guys, I've asked several times in different places cuz I'm stupid, but where do I take these tests? Blood/mineral/urine and stuff? Just talk to my GP? Can I do them outside of insurance for a fee?


I'm only 21 I'm still a dumb kid yo

 

[freeflow]

also herbal route combo might be tribulus (lowers prog) + schizandra (ups estrogen) + boron (ups test/dht) (I've been doing this and I'm not cured yet but with the right supplementation I'm like 80% now. Coming from fucking hell.

true, but tribulous is nowhere near as potent as an antiprogesterone. so maybe you have everything needed together, but are just missing something stronger to kill your prog. estrogen will not upregulate with slight prog reduction. i believe that it needs to be completely blocked. this is why taking RU486 can cause Gyno due to estrogen upregulation and taking tribulous will not cause this.

Man i developed gyno many times when using tribulus for some days, i recovered from it in 2-3 weeks after stopping tribulus. This was when i used higher dosages while trying to mimic apr1988 protocol. He cured himself with trib supplementing for weeks, daily 4-5 times and weaning off. Did some cycles of this.
There were also others on solvepfs who took trib and freaked out of the gyno.

I could try trib+schisandra and a dht activator too, i react very strongly to supplements and feel the change for sure so i know creatine affects me etc.

 

[aztec]

Guys, I've asked several times in different places cuz I'm stupid, but where do I take these tests? Blood/mineral/urine and stuff? Just talk to my GP? Can I do them outside of insurance for a fee?


I'm only 21 I'm still a dumb kid yo

[mention]expendable[/mention] here is one resource from ARL: http://www.arltma.com/HairAnalysis.htm
Trace Elements: http://www.traceelements.com
Unikey Health: http://www.unikeyhealth.com/tissue-mineral-analysis

You can do a 24 urine test through your physician like I did. This will give you insight about your cortisol levels.

 

[IHateFin]

Guys, I've asked several times in different places cuz I'm stupid, but where do I take these tests? Blood/mineral/urine and stuff? Just talk to my GP? Can I do them outside of insurance for a fee?


I'm only 21 I'm still a dumb kid yo

hey man i just turned 24, some of us are young bucks haha but yeah you can go to a GP. i go to my local walk in clinic and just ask to test for things.
id go through insurance cuz it can cost hundreds of dollars just to test one hormone namely DHT, that one is pricey.

 

[IHateFin]

also herbal route combo might be tribulus (lowers prog) + schizandra (ups estrogen) + boron (ups test/dht) (I've been doing this and I'm not cured yet but with the right supplementation I'm like 80% now. Coming from fucking hell.

true, but tribulous is nowhere near as potent as an antiprogesterone. so maybe you have everything needed together, but are just missing something stronger to kill your prog. estrogen will not upregulate with slight prog reduction. i believe that it needs to be completely blocked. this is why taking RU486 can cause Gyno due to estrogen upregulation and taking tribulous will not cause this.

Man i developed gyno many times when using tribulus for some days, i recovered from it in 2-3 weeks after stopping tribulus. This was when i used higher dosages while trying to mimic apr1988 protocol. He cured himself with trib supplementing for weeks, daily 4-5 times and weaning off. Did some cycles of this.
There were also others on solvepfs who took trib and freaked out of the gyno.

I could try trib+schisandra and a dht activator too, i react very strongly to supplements and feel the change for sure so i know creatine affects me etc.

interesting! haha well i guess i stand corrected. maybe trib can be a strong antiprog so heck maybe super high tribulous plus the other items i mentioned could do it. if you can reduce prog and increase estrogen and DHT at the same time that could be the magic combo.

 

[TubZy]

also herbal route combo might be tribulus (lowers prog) + schizandra (ups estrogen) + boron (ups test/dht) (I've been doing this and I'm not cured yet but with the right supplementation I'm like 80% now. Coming from fucking hell.

true, but tribulous is nowhere near as potent as an antiprogesterone. so maybe you have everything needed together, but are just missing something stronger to kill your prog. estrogen will not upregulate with slight prog reduction. i believe that it needs to be completely blocked. this is why taking RU486 can cause Gyno due to estrogen upregulation and taking tribulous will not cause this.

Man i developed gyno many times when using tribulus for some days, i recovered from it in 2-3 weeks after stopping tribulus. This was when i used higher dosages while trying to mimic apr1988 protocol. He cured himself with trib supplementing for weeks, daily 4-5 times and weaning off. Did some cycles of this.
There were also others on solvepfs who took trib and freaked out of the gyno.

I could try trib+schisandra and a dht activator too, i react very strongly to supplements and feel the change for sure so i know creatine affects me etc.

Probably from lowering prog and DHT not being active to counteract estrogen yet. There have been possible reports of RU causing gyno at high doses and taken long enough from BBers so I'm sure it is possible.

 

[IHateFin]

true, but tribulous is nowhere near as potent as an antiprogesterone. so maybe you have everything needed together, but are just missing something stronger to kill your prog. estrogen will not upregulate with slight prog reduction. i believe that it needs to be completely blocked. this is why taking RU486 can cause Gyno due to estrogen upregulation and taking tribulous will not cause this.

Man i developed gyno many times when using tribulus for some days, i recovered from it in 2-3 weeks after stopping tribulus. This was when i used higher dosages while trying to mimic apr1988 protocol. He cured himself with trib supplementing for weeks, daily 4-5 times and weaning off. Did some cycles of this.
There were also others on solvepfs who took trib and freaked out of the gyno.

I could try trib+schisandra and a dht activator too, i react very strongly to supplements and feel the change for sure so i know creatine affects me etc.

Probably from lowering prog and DHT not being active to counteract estrogen yet. There have been possible reports of RU causing gyno at high doses and taken long enough from BBers so I'm sure it is possible.

broski, im thinking that the gyno i developed in my one nipple flared up due to RU486 so im a living example of this. had my dht kicked in i would be 100% cured. proof of concept right here haha

its reduced since i mentioned it to you and joe n nam so thats cool.

story behind the gyno is that it started several months before i even got tested for prog as i thought it was a small enflammed lymph node then it got MUCH bigger yet still unnoticeable from anyone other than me after my ru trials.

 

[freeflow]

I got the huge gyno after 2 days of mediherb tribulus which is the most potent trib as far as I know. It came with all other estrogenic sides, becoming emotional, I was crying too.

[mention]IHateFin[/mention] maybe you activated your DHT with 5DHP after your first ru cycle?

 

[IHateFin]

I got the huge gyno after 2 days of mediherb tribulus which is the most potent trib as far as I know. It came with all other estrogenic sides, becoming emotional, I was crying too.

@IHateFin maybe you activated your DHT with 5DHP after your first ru cycle?

this is posible! i did notice a gradual and steady increase in scalp tingles and hairshed so DHT was slowly coming back online.
dude i looked and the medicare trib is now only sold by doctors and if you want it from amazon its 200 bucks... wish i got me some before they pulled it from over the counter.

 

[Snell1234]

I got the huge gyno after 2 days of mediherb tribulus which is the most potent trib as far as I know. It came with all other estrogenic sides, becoming emotional, I was crying too.

@IHateFin maybe you activated your DHT with 5DHP after your first ru cycle?

this is posible! i did notice a gradual and steady increase in scalp tingles and hairshed so DHT was slowly coming back online.
dude i looked and the medicare trib is now only sold by doctors and if you want it from amazon its 200 bucks... wish i got me some before they pulled it from over the counter.

So is tribulus an anti progestin?

 

[IHateFin]

I got the huge gyno after 2 days of mediherb tribulus which is the most potent trib as far as I know. It came with all other estrogenic sides, becoming emotional, I was crying too.

@IHateFin maybe you activated your DHT with 5DHP after your first ru cycle?

this is posible! i did notice a gradual and steady increase in scalp tingles and hairshed so DHT was slowly coming back online.
dude i looked and the medicare trib is now only sold by doctors and if you want it from amazon its 200 bucks... wish i got me some before they pulled it from over the counter.

So is tribulus an anti progestin?

looks to be so! i thought it was a mild antiprod but apparently it can be quite potent.

 

[freeflow]

The first tablet of mediherb i took was in the evening. When i woke up the next day it felt like my body is electrically charged, my balls were hanging sooo low, i never had then hanging so low ever in my life it was scary and they were huge. I thought thats it, this will cure me then i took tablets on the 2nd day and ball hanging stopped, gyno grew and i started crying for unkown reason, emotions.

I can get mediherb tribulus if someone needs, i also became a distributor at thorne with my medical license.
Now im using world abs tribulus which is weaker and im using small dosages. Im sure it can do the same for cheaper price. But that electricity and crazy ball hanging was only from mediherb lol.

 

[IHateFin]

The first tablet of mediherb i took was in the evening. When i woke up the next day it felt like my body is electrically charged, my balls were hanging sooo low, i never had then hanging so low ever in my life it was scary and they were huge. I thought thats it, this will cure me then i took tablets on the 2nd day and ball hanging stopped, gyno grew and i started crying for unkown reason, emotions.

I can get mediherb tribulus if someone needs, i also became a distributor at thorne with my medical license.
Now im using world abs tribulus which is weaker and im using small dosages. Im sure it can do the same for cheaper price. But that electricity and crazy ball hanging was only from mediherb lol.

damn man i would have legit taken you up on that offer, but i literally just bought it on ebay for 53 bucks haha im gunna use this as my antiprog when i try my my next cycle i mentioned in my theory.

i took dht 20% gel on my nip for two days and 3 days on reversotrol ad i feel good today libido wise and dick got hard af with out stimulation while watching pron today.
cant tell if its from that or from my 18g inositol plus 400mg of Randro kicking in. im 2 weeks into 18g of inositol and about 1 week on 400mg of Randro.
im gunna not take the dht gel and reversotrol for a few days and evaluate.

 

[5 alpha]

Man i developed gyno many times when using tribulus for some days, i recovered from it in 2-3 weeks after stopping tribulus. This was when i used higher dosages while trying to mimic apr1988 protocol. He cured himself with trib supplementing for weeks, daily 4-5 times and weaning off. Did some cycles of this.
There were also others on solvepfs who took trib and freaked out of the gyno.

I could try trib+schisandra and a dht activator too, i react very strongly to supplements and feel the change for sure so i know creatine affects me etc.

Probably from lowering prog and DHT not being active to counteract estrogen yet. There have been possible reports of RU causing gyno at high doses and taken long enough from BBers so I'm sure it is possible.

broski, im thinking that the gyno i developed in my one nipple flared up due to RU486 so im a living example of this. had my dht kicked in i would be 100% cured. proof of concept right here haha

its reduced since i mentioned it to you and joe n nam so thats cool.

story behind the gyno is that it started several months before i even got tested for prog as i thought it was a small enflammed lymph node then it got MUCH bigger yet still unnoticeable from anyone other than me after my ru trials.

dam man I did not know that you had gyno issues while on RU. What where you taking several months ago when it started?

 

[IHateFin]

[quote="5 alpha" post_id=2079 time=1508482333 user_id=57]

Probably from lowering prog and DHT not being active to counteract estrogen yet. There have been possible reports of RU causing gyno at high doses and taken long enough from BBers so I'm sure it is possible.

broski, im thinking that the gyno i developed in my one nipple flared up due to RU486 so im a living example of this. had my dht kicked in i would be 100% cured. proof of concept right here haha

its reduced since i mentioned it to you and joe n nam so thats cool.

story behind the gyno is that it started several months before i even got tested for prog as i thought it was a small enflammed lymph node then it got MUCH bigger yet still unnoticeable from anyone other than me after my ru trials.

dam man I did not know that you had gyno issues while on RU. What where you taking several months ago when it started?
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well i didnt really notice it but after my ru trials it developed a lot more. i wasnt really taking anything new when it started. in fact i didnt really even know what was going on until recently. this whole tie i thought i had a lymph node problem since it was just on my right nipple and on the side of the nip. after ru trails i noticed "hey it got bigger" then it started feeling tender and a bit larger and thats when i put two n two together. i already had it coming, but the upregulation of estrogen from ru kind of exacerbated it a bit.

thats why ru would be perfect if it wasnt an antiandrogen as everything else is forced into place only thing is DHT doesnt come back online as the opposition to estrogen at least maybe not at 50mg; however, we have yet to try 10mg doses. my theory that i posted a page ago stated if we can swith the body to oppose estrogen with dht and lower prog all at the same time then that should do it!

a strong tribulous with some dht boosters should do the trick as well theoretically of course.