TubZy Log (cured)

[K8668B]

Amazong the effects are so strong on a relatively low dosage. I saw multiple posts on body building forums where people where taking 50mg for 6 weeks and were being called pussies for not going higher or doing real AAS
Testing cortisol (saliva) is one of the few things that is quite easy and cheap to do here...

I know... i see that all the time myself. Its idiotic how theyll call someone a pussy for doing such. I dont care about what some idiot thinks... if an anavar-only cycle is going to help my condition, then im going to do it. So many idiots out there, i dont pay any mind to them.

 

[MNK99]

-People = dumb in general. --I mean 60mg ritalin prolly kill some people, probably a joke to others. --6 shots espresso = feels like a heart attack to some/ some can sleep with the last two, same with all this shyt.
-Bodybuilding . com is a pretty crazy site - some useful and hilarious things there tho. SOME good ppl there; just lots of wankers too tho. -Lots of ppl you want to beat down.

@Herman - aren't Fasted Tests Best -- and blood tests for Test, and LH, and FSH, and whatever else...
-Also 24hr Cortisol by Urinalysis? That's what I did (it was hard but Endo said she'll test whatever I want). I don't like dealing with them/ wait 2-6 weeks/ crazy. She's nice tho.

 

[TubZy]

Cool, curious about your results! Would you say this made you feel better than on RU ( like the best day on any of the two compared)?

Very similar, except I was on RU for way shorter. RU killed my digestion after a few days. Var killed my appetite. In the end, they both block cortisol which turns on adrenaline. It seems like both stop potassium wasting as my skin and face and everything is super nice and defined. What we think is that they both block cortisol and RU lowers prog and var upregulates prog. I think RU is stronger but at the same time is more expensive and harder to obtain. So like we talked about earlier longer low dose RU cycles was talked about (like weeks), but we still don't know with RU. What we do know is that people with higher hormones like T levels do better on var, while others like @Niles who had low T levels felt worse with var. I think that makes sense because var is suppressive in that respect (15mg cuts T levels close to 40%) so if you factor in low T levels that could be problematic. I got my T levels tested pre and post var so we can so how much it suppressed me.
Overall, if you compare them RU I felt best for a few days but followed by super high adrenaline and horrible digestion. Var was more consistent especially right around the second week when it was pretty built in my system, I felt good all day long (just felt normal, no crazy adrenaline surges or very bad digestion). That is why I wanted to stay on a long cycle to see how I would change over time, but its okay lets see what the tests come back with.

 

[TubZy]

I know... i see that all the time myself. Its idiotic how theyll call someone a pussy for doing such. I dont care about what some idiot thinks... if an anavar-only cycle is going to help my condition, then im going to do it. So many idiots out there, i dont pay any mind to them.

Yeah, I have been down that route. You get ripped for asking about var only cycles. Many of my friends have taken var only cycles (non pfs related) and came off fine (i.e. no hair loss after or PFS type symptoms) so I'm hoping we do fine coming off var.

They only say var cycle should be with test so you "feel better on cycle, but funny thing is you are just suppressing yourself even more LOL

 

[TubZy]

-People = dumb in general. --I mean 60mg ritalin prolly kill some people, probably a joke to others. --6 shots espresso = feels like a heart attack to some/ some can sleep with the last two, same with all this shyt.
-Bodybuilding . com is a pretty crazy site - some useful and hilarious things there tho. SOME good ppl there; just lots of wankers too tho.

@Herman - aren't Fasted Tests Best -- and blood tests for Test, and LH, and FSH, and whatever else...
-Also 24hr Cortisol by Urinalysis? That's what I did (it was hard but Endo said she'll test whatever I want). I don't like dealing with them/ wait 2-6 weeks/ crazy. She's nice tho.

yeah all my tests were fasted state and all around the same time of the day (morning) so should be little variable

 

[Jaxx]

Very similar, except I was on RU for way shorter. RU killed my digestion after a few days. Var killed my appetite. In the end, they both block cortisol which turns on adrenaline. It seems like both stop potassium wasting as my skin and face and everything is super nice and defined. What we think is that they both block cortisol and RU lowers prog and var upregulates prog. I think RU is stronger but at the same time is more expensive and harder to obtain. So like we talked about earlier longer low dose RU cycles was talked about (like weeks), but we still don't know with RU. What we do know is that people with higher hormones like T levels do better on var, while others like @Niles who had low T levels felt worse with var. I think that makes sense because var is suppressive in that respect (15mg cuts T levels close to 40%) so if you factor in low T levels that could be problematic. I got my T levels tested pre and post var so we can so how much it suppressed me.
Overall, if you compare them RU I felt best for a few days but followed by super high adrenaline and horrible digestion. Var was more consistent especially right around the second week when it was pretty built in my system, I felt good all day long (just felt normal, no crazy adrenaline surges or very bad digestion). That is why I wanted to stay on a long cycle to see how I would change over time, but its okay lets see what the tests come back with.

Did Niles get it from that russian site too? Most AAS on the market are fake one way or the other (often mixed compounds) making me wonder a bit of the chances that everyone is testing the same.
Very good to hear about the similarities!

 

[Helen]

Did Niles get it from that russian site too? Most AAS on the market are fake one way or the other (often mixed compounds) making me wonder a bit of the chances that everyone is testing the same.
Very good to hear about the similarities!

Jaxx, we have different cases.

Belikewater felt zero libido while on var, and these guys felt libido while on var.

Var blocks cortisol, Tubzy feel cured when cortisol is blocked. and Belikewter feels cured when he takes cortisol

So it is not about source of var.

 

[Jaxx]

Jaxx, we have different cases.

Belikewater felt zero libido while on var, and these guys felt libido while on var.

Var blocks cortisol, Tubzy feel cured when cortisol is blocked. and Belikewter feels cured when he takes cortisol

So it is not about source of var.

Well i am just saying that tubzy is the only one that did pre-post testing and we have a substance that is known to be fake in the open market....
I am not saying there could not be 2 or more cases, just mentioning a another, not impossible, reason for different reactions.

 

[MNK99]

everyone water fast 50-80days straight

some fatty did 180-575 days straight. are you saying he's better than u??
He couldn't walk, can't read, and can't drink water, and he still did it. he ran everyday and would drive to the sea, daily. drove str8 into the ocean.

old days some did 999 - 4000 days straight. Hell, the ancient taoist immortals did 20000 yrs straight, people in the vedas too.

 

[Helen]

Well i am just saying that tubzy is the only one that did pre-post testing and we have a substance that is known to be fake in the open market....
I am not saying there could not be 2 or more cases, just mentioning a another, not impossible, reason for different reactions.

Belikewater tested his var, so did tubzy

 

[Jaxx]

Belikewater tested his var, so did tubzy

Ah, and he had low t and cortisol tested too by any chance?
Just sent out my cortisol test this morning.

 

[TubZy]

Ah, and he had low t and cortisol tested too by any chance?
Just sent out my cortisol test this morning.

Not sure if @BeLikeWater got tested, i wish he did then we could easily compare

 

[bruschi11]

For me and @Jack17 , progesterone following RU was really incredible. No other way to put it. And for several propeciahelp recovery stories. And there’s @Helen promoting progesterone if you’re going to take testo.

Is there any way we can utilize progesterone in Anavar cycles ? Or possibly Prog used post Anavar cycle?

This is taking into @Boris ‘s account of Anavar being so similar to RU.

 

[Area-1255]

Any reason why caber over metergoline? Metergoline lowers cortisol as well

Caber has a HIGH risk of Heart Valve Issues + Serotonin Syndrome. Metergoline doesn't have these Risks & it can treat BOTH.

 

[TubZy]

Caber has a HIGH risk of Heart Valve Issues + Serotonin Syndrome. Metergoline doesn't have these Risks & it can treat BOTH.

I don't take those at all anymore, only tried while on RU and post RU to get prolactin down. I tried them alone a while ago solo and didn't notice much

 

[Jaxx]

Caber has a HIGH risk of Heart Valve Issues + Serotonin Syndrome. Metergoline doesn't have these Risks & it can treat BOTH.

Serotonine syndrome by a dopamine agonist?

 

[MNK99]

-1st. Sorry Boris, didn't mean to derail. 2nd. @Jaxx (in brief). YES, It's possible in conjunction with other drugs.
---I think that's when it's used with certain SNRI's (or all of them). OF COURSE --- EFFEXOR strikes again, rec that name anywhere...and it's yngr czn from hell PRISTIQ.
-I have heard that happening with ADDERALL (in combo w/ others) (likely also venlafaxine and desvenlafaxine). -->satan drugs those and Finasteride (and many++).

"Desvenlafaxine: (Moderate) Because of the potential risk and severity of serotonin syndrome or neuroleptic malignant syndrome-like reactions, caution should be observed when administering (SNRIs) w/ other drugs that have serotonergic properties, such as cabergoline. Cabergoline (cabergoline) indications, adverse effects ...www.pdr.net/drug-summary/Cabergoline-cabergoline-1447"

- Cabergoline - DrugBank ---G scholar too, not just on this prolactin antagonist & D2-agonist [Caber] causing [when used w/ other meds] S.S., but Adderall, etc too.
--> not the same but like UGT1A4 in liver being inhibited by FINasteride and hence my LAMOTRIGINE stopped working (+ve mood and +ADHD and function -->gone).
-->rendered ineffectual by finasteride. Just bc it's not super well known doesn't mean not all avenues of interactions shouldn't be warned against... same w/ FIN.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Very similar, except I was on RU for way shorter. RU killed my digestion after a few days. Var killed my appetite. In the end, they both block cortisol which turns on adrenaline. It seems like both stop potassium wasting as my skin and face and everything is super nice and defined. What we think is that they both block cortisol and RU lowers prog and var upregulates prog. I think RU is stronger but at the same time is more expensive and harder to obtain. So like we talked about earlier longer low dose RU cycles was talked about (like weeks), but we still don't know with RU. What we do know is that people with higher hormones like T levels do better on var, while others like @Niles who had low T levels felt worse with var. I think that makes sense because var is suppressive in that respect (15mg cuts T levels close to 40%) so if you factor in low T levels that could be problematic. I got my T levels tested pre and post var so we can so how much it suppressed me.
Overall, if you compare them RU I felt best for a few days but followed by super high adrenaline and horrible digestion. Var was more consistent especially right around the second week when it was pretty built in my system, I felt good all day long (just felt normal, no crazy adrenaline surges or very bad digestion). That is why I wanted to stay on a long cycle to see how I would change over time, but its okay lets see what the tests come back with.

I also have this problem that you talk about. Adrenaline surges and for me bloating. Digestion is OK but I got this pressure on my stomach.

 

[TubZy]

Got my results back. Looks like test went up slightly and DHT dropped by 10 points or so. Cortisol is ironically normal although I didn't have a baseline so I couldn't really say if it was up or down during or post cycle, but it is crazy I felt all high cort symptoms unless the receptor just upregulated. The symptoms kind of subsided now, Helen told me to try b1 and potassium to support cortisol and DHT and that did make me feel better to an extent.

Based on what it did to my testosterone and DHT @Helen thinks var acts like fin to an extent, but we don't know since I couldn't get progesterone done. I think for any user that is on var at this moment that can get a full panel done (all hormones including cortisol) it would probably be much more helpful. But there still are two cases here. If @BeLikeWater got a test done we could compare since his libido was shot on var.

 

[brix]

Was this a week after you stopped taking var? And any more update on how you’re feeling? Liver enzymes def went up. Also curious how your cholesterol was affected.