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[Yura]

Do you guys recommend any specific bitter foods or supplements for bile flow? I think me always eating bland meals of lean meat, starch, veggie are huge reason why my bile is not moving.. Something like turmeric, artichoke leaf extract, dandelion root extract, swedish bitters etc.?(Btw I take taurine, glycine all the time and tried ox bile, TUDCA many times with zero results in terms of bile flow..) They have great reviews on iherb for kick starting bile flow. But at the same time I don't trust plants outside of starches and fruits for carbs.. I am taking sunflower lecithin and little more olive oil with every meal than I used to. I mean some practitioners don't recommend added fats to meals at all for slow oxidizers. But eating like no fat all the time makes bile not moving at all. How that should help long term I really don't know.. Fat is major factor for gallbladder releasing bile.. I think meal should make you salivate before you start eating. SO you know it is already stimulating digestive juices. But bland bodybuiling meal basically is not able to do that heh.. Would be great guys if you say how your meals look like..

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[Fazed22]

I would just look at how much of each thing they recommend and buy my own supplements..

Nah basically impossible to do if you look at things like parapack, adrenal complex. Much easier to buy the TEI supplements themselves

 

[Yura]

Bro they don't ship to our country. Yes it would be much easier to just buy what they say and ne done with it. But what can I do. Btw I am not interested in some crazy complexes with adrenal hormones or whatever. I know they had to simplify it for normal people. SO they have supplements like that and they take it all at once with meals. That is far from ideal approach. But I understand it is better than not taking it at all. Which would be the case for normal people. I have no problem to make for myself crazy complicated protocol. Especially when I know it will be more effective to take different stuff in different times etc.. Btw I will do ARL no TEI..

 

[Fazed22]

Bro they don't ship to our country. Yes it would be much easier to just buy what they say and ne done with it. But what can I do. Btw I am not interested in some crazy complexes with adrenal hormones or whatever. I know they had to simplify it for normal people. SO they have supplements like that and they take it all at once with meals. That is far from ideal approach. But I understand it is better than not taking it at all. Which would be the case for normal people. I have no problem to make for myself crazy complicated protocol. Especially when I know it will be more effective to take different stuff in different times etc.. Btw I will do ARL no TEI..

Yeah just my experience it's not the same at all taking some of the things separately, as opposed to their formulated supplements but yeah I know European companies can be difficult for getting health supplements delivered to. Adrenal glandular is very needed otherwise you'll never use your copper properly being a very slow oxidiser, for myself it makes my copper bioavailable and is absolutely needed

 

[Yura]

I understand that nutrients that adrenals need for function are needed like vit C, B5 etc.. but why taking adrenal hormones is "absolutely needed" ? When the time comes and adrenals will be ready they will do their job. In my case I fried mine with stupid insane bike riding. I don't do that anymore. I don't do low carb. I am trying to be nice to my body/adrenals so they can work.. I just need to have good bile flow. that is my main issue. If I start taking adrenal cortex with no bile flowing I would kill myself..

 

[Fazed22]

I understand that nutrients that adrenals need for function are needed like vit C, B5 etc.. but why taking adrenal hormones is "absolutely needed" ? When the time comes and adrenals will be ready they will do their job. In my case I fried mine with stupid insane bike riding. I don't do that anymore. I don't do low carb. I am trying to be nice to my body/adrenals so they can work.. I just need to have good bile flow. that is my main issue. If I start taking adrenal cortex with no bile flowing I would kill myself..

Well if you have a poor adrenal ratio on your hair test then it's needed. It doesn't feel like taking hormones at all to me, just helps me use my copper properly, I think if it does contain hormones then it's a tiny amount. If the adrenals are down then the adrenal complex helps support them gently, personally I didn't find b5 and vit c helpful for my adrenals and copper utilisation compared to the TEI adrenal complex.

Nah it wouldn't kill you without bile flowing, I had the same bile issues, it's a very light supplement and it doesn't matter if your bile isn't working for this supplement.

 

[Fazed22]

Well if you have a poor adrenal ratio on your hair test then it's needed. It doesn't feel like taking hormones at all to me, just helps me use my copper properly, I think if it does contain hormones then it's a tiny amount. If the adrenals are down then the adrenal complex helps support them gently, personally I didn't find b5 and vit c helpful for my adrenals and copper utilisation compared to the TEI adrenal complex.

Nah it wouldn't kill you without bile flowing, I had the same bile issues, its a very light supplement and doesn't matter if you bile isn't working for this supplement.

Also ps: I would say Vitamin C feels a lot more stimulating than this adrenal complex supplement.

 

[Aleksandr]

ARL I found their supplements shitty and bad quality. The consensus on here was TEI worked a lot better for people than ARL

I think people more did TEI for ease. I was one of them. We've had people to ARL and recover

 

[Yura]

Should I take histidine on top of 2x 150g of chicken/turkey breast + 2x10g hydrolyzed collagen and 2x a day 30g of CFM 80% whey protein?(According to chatGPT there should be around 3g of histidine..) Like 500mg 2-3 times a day or have it only on hand if I feel like I am dumping copper or I see on blood test high free copper? I am asking because I don't know if excess of hostidine can create some other imbalance in amino acids or somewhere else..

 

[Aleksandr]

Should I take histidine on top of 2x 150g of chicken/turkey breast + 2x10g hydrolyzed collagen and 2x a day 30g of CFM 80% whey protein?(According to chatGPT there should be around 3g of histidine..) Like 500mg 2-3 times a day or have it only on hand if I feel like I am dumping copper or I see on blood test high free copper? I am asking because I don't know if excess of hostidine can create some other imbalance in amino acids or somewhere else..

my plan is to follow the protocol exactly as described to take the guesswork out.
collagen and whey protein isn't in it for me so i don't plan to take it.

 

[Yura]

But to me collagen and whey protein is food not supplement. It is simply protein source like egg whites are for example.. I use them mainly because I want to keep dietary fat and saturated fats low due to my lipid profile.. I would like to eat pork feet instead of taking collagen. THey give you specific diet protocol? I don't think so. They just recommend protein with each meal, complex carbs etc. It doesn't matter if its whey protein or egg white omelete.. I use whey protein for fast meals when I don't have cooked meat or when I want easy to digest and/or sweet meals like with oats and fruit or something.. Same thing with collagen. You think your body knows if its collagen from hydrolyzed powder or broth? THey don't recommend broth? I think it is one of the best foods for gut health.. They can't know what foods agree with you. YOu have to create your own meal plan.. That is what I am doing.. What supplement is to me are single amino acids and that was my question if I should take that extra histidine as it binds to free metals in the blood..
Not to mention like I said I can't buy their supplements so I have to do my own stack.

 

[TubZy]

@Yura welcome back dude!

 

[Yura]

@TubZy hi

 

[Yura]

I got copper for everyone! Sky high tissue copper. Hair mineral analysis

Does anyone know how to get a researchgate login without institution email ? How do you promote the elevation of ceruloplasmin? Looks promising

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It is so fucked up to read this thread again. It's like I did huge circle and here I am at exactly the same spot just 7 years older. No been able to fix anything really. With much more severe issues now. It's really hard to not give up on this bullshit life..

 

[TubZy]

Have you tried GHK WITHOUT copper before? This would help pull copper out and use it up since it will bind to it.

If you take GHK with the copper attached (GHK-CU) you will just make yourself more copper toxic.

 

[Aleksandr]

But to me collagen and whey protein is food not supplement. It is simply protein source like egg whites are for example.. I use them mainly because I want to keep dietary fat and saturated fats low due to my lipid profile.. I would like to eat pork feet instead of taking collagen. THey give you specific diet protocol? I don't think so. They just recommend protein with each meal, complex carbs etc. It doesn't matter if its whey protein or egg white omelete.. I use whey protein for fast meals when I don't have cooked meat or when I want easy to digest and/or sweet meals like with oats and fruit or something.. Same thing with collagen. You think your body knows if its collagen from hydrolyzed powder or broth? THey don't recommend broth? I think it is one of the best foods for gut health.. They can't know what foods agree with you. YOu have to create your own meal plan.. That is what I am doing.. What supplement is to me are single amino acids and that was my question if I should take that extra histidine as it binds to free metals in the blood..
Not to mention like I said I can't buy their supplements so I have to do my own ststack.

Yeah fair enough, should be fine to supplement as it is a food

 

[Yura]

@TubZy I have not tried GHK is that peptide? It has to be injected?
Anyways I couldn't sleep after reading that thread with Gbolduev talking about copper, estrogen etc..
That was year 2018 and during that time I had no blood test showing any high free copper.. But that changed 2020. I actually remember that day when I was taking the blood test. It was hot summer day. I had job interview and I felt that copper dump. I felt very high blood pressure, I had headache, nose bleed. Anyways on my blood test my serum copper was 26,9 umol/l ref. range 12,4-20,6 and ceruloplasmin was only 0,20 g/l ref. range 0,20-0,60 ..
With help of chatGPT(as at that time my lab was not calculating free copper yet. Now they have it) my free copper 17,5 umol/l idela should be zero obviously and limit is 2.2..
% of free copper was 65%.. If that is not symptom of copper toxicity I don't know what is..
Btw I just looked at all my blood tests. In 2019 I had also elevated free copper 3,8. So not that bad
2023 also 2,1 ref. range ends 2.0
Anyways on my last blood test free copper was low, but serum was also crazy low under 10 and all the classic symptom of copper deficiency. Low white blood cells. Completely tanked estrogen...
THat in combination with bad bile flow(liver enzymes elevated all the time. I think that the copper damaged the liver, oxidative damage to the bile ducts. I think I even can feel some fibrosis when I bend and dig my ribs into the liver.. So bile flow is simply really bad.
Had high TSH 5-12 like forever. So here I wonder is the cause of my issues low thyroid and therefore low ceruloplasmin or vise versa metals fucking up my thryrold/adrenals..
That I really don't know and thinking about it all the time over a decade instead of living life is really fucked up..

What you think guys about trying resveratrol? To hopefully increase estradiol and ceruloplasmin? I would keep dietary copper low as possible to not retain even more while taking something like 10mg manganese, 30mg zinc, 200mcg molybdenum, some vit C and most importantly whey protein + histidine multiple times to bind that copper and flush it out with urine.. I would do blood testing every time I would feel any change in symptoms to see what is going on.. Otherwise I don't know what to do. It really seems like my body is really struggling more and more to deal with that copper and so it completely stopped copper metabolism, because the body simply can't handle it.. I can't wait 3 months until my hair grow back. DO hair test and then take ARL stack with copper. I think that will not help me at all.
Ideal would be by the time I do the hair test within 3 months. I would start to move copper out so I will see it on hair test..

But I need to do something now, because my veins are really building up plaque like crazy with this high Lp(a) from all that oxidative stress and also my infections and pathogens are going crazy due to low white blood cells for so long. I think for now I am keeping myself alive with stuff like garlic and lugol iodine that is killing some pathogens, but I really need to reduce all that ROS and increase antioxidants so the body can pump up hydrogen peroxide and kill every fucker in me that shouldn't be there..

 

[Yura]

I am looking into amino acids. It looks like carnosine could be very helpful for lowering ROS, chelating metals? Is it true that taking L carnosine directly doesn't help much increase plasma/brain levels because it is broken down by enzymes fast? Taking beta alanine looks like increases only carnosine in muscles, but not systemic effect on lowering ROS, chelating copper etc.? Or taking higer doses like 3g a day of carnosine will results in some serious benefits? For now I just ordered some histidine to have it on hand and also some beta alanine. Just to try it which I never did. If that flush is not so crazy I will keep taking it. At least it increases carnosine in muscles, so reduces ROS in muscles which lowers the overal ROS load on the body right..

 

[Yura]

I looked again how ARL recommends taking their supps. Like I said everything together 3 times a day with meal. So calcium, zinc, manganese, chromium, copper etc.. I mean how the body could absorb all those metals at once.. YOu add elements from the meal on top of that and you have crazy mix of everything + all that fiber cellulose that they recommend from veggies with each meal will just prevent absorption of most of that stuff.. How is that the best protocol for taking supps in 2025 I mean really.. So now I understand why they recommend so much zinc, chromium etc.. If you absorb even 1/10 it's probably to optimistic..

 

[Aleksandr]

I looked again how ARL recommends taking their supps. Like I said everything together 3 times a day with meal. So calcium, zinc, manganese, chromium, copper etc.. I mean how the body could absorb all those metals at once.. YOu add elements from the meal on top of that and you have crazy mix of everything + all that fiber cellulose that they recommend from veggies with each meal will just prevent absorption of most of that stuff.. How is that the best protocol for taking supps in 2025 I mean really.. So now I understand why they recommend so much zinc, chromium etc.. If you absorb even 1/10 it's probably to optimistic..

its got a good track record of working here though. the sea of information and things to try is vast and our time limited