ZINC FINGER THEORY DISCUSSION for PFS - 2 cases

[Orion]

That's why chydrochloric acid is much better choice. Cheaper and easily dosed with dropper. So you have your solution of Na/K/Mg chlorides. Where you just add drops of hydrochloric acid and drink with straw before/ after meals and you can even drink it between meals. Your electrolytes with very low dose of hydrochloric acid. I have 500ml of water where I have like 400mg Mg chloride, 4g sea salt, 4g potassium chloride and 3 drops of 3,5% hydrochloric acid. I will drink it through the day and also before and after meals with added 10 drops of hydrochloric acid.

Where are you buying your HCl acid?

 

[Yura]

Kyselina chlorovodíková 3,5-4%, HCl, potravinářská - FICHEMA
Usually you have in every country some shop with chemicals.. I buy on fichema everything like Mg/K chloride, citric acid for hydrogen water etc..

 

[bruschi11]

Zinc finger 100% makes my cortisol stronger. I use GCU with it- so glycine, lysine, arginine, methionine as well. Coming off prog this past weekend combined with all the aminos made my cortisol feel very strong like a post-fast.

 

[Slayo]

There's a breakdown of communication here because clearly nobody is complaining, a request for help to understand something is completely reasonable. I stated in my first post that I have google searched and ready studies and can't find this information.

You say this information is easily found, I am now doing searches for "zinc finger glucocorticoid receptor" and am still not finding anything that clearly explains what zinc finger does. Do you want to provide a link to where this "easy to find" information is? Please quote the portion of the article that explains it.

i read it on a zinc book available on google, i have no time to search it again, if you don't have time to search either just trust what i have written

 

[bruschi11]

@brongfogboy all I can tell you from my experience is that it strengthen cortisol. Using combination of these aminos with betaine HCL does something very beneficial for me. Takes a few days to start working but man, its hard to explain I just feel happier and stronger. My body's ability to handle stress is so much better.

 

[brongfogboy]

@brongfogboy all I can tell you from my experience is that it strengthen cortisol. Using combination of these aminos with betaine HCL does something very beneficial for me. Takes a few days to start working but man, its hard to explain I just feel happier and stronger. My body's ability to handle stress is so much better.

I believe you, I'm going to continue to play around with the HCL and dosages.

 

[bruschi11]

@brongfogboy have you gotten any type of ARL recommendations from anyone based on your hair test? The woman I told you about was pretty quick to get back to me with Wilson's recommendations.

Also, I've been fasting quite a bit (one 36 hour fast weekly), I did the 21 days like 5 months back now, have used RU/prog twice now each. All these strengthen cortisol but the aminos do something special for me it appears.

My first two trials before testicle injury with zinc finger standalone led to just a big increase in erections. I'd say both of these runs were my best two with PFS. Admittedly, me trying to prescribe myself minerals during these time periods messed me up a bit. The mineral stuff is tricky.

I know you did a fecal transplant once right? What I do now is a lot of probiotic enemas like 2 weekly (was doing close to nightly for a month or so there) so I'm also trying to make my gut as strong as possible. Put good things in there to take care of the bad.

Man, I know the extent of things you have done in the past to better yourself. So I'm not afraid to tell you some of the crazy things I've done haha

 

[wuf]

@gbolduev
Have you recovered from last finasteride mega dose you used few months ago?

 

[gar0u87]

That's why chydrochloric acid is much better choice. Cheaper and easily dosed with dropper. So you have your solution of Na/K/Mg chlorides. Where you just add drops of hydrochloric acid and drink with straw before/ after meals and you can even drink it between meals. Your electrolytes with very low dose of hydrochloric acid. I have 500ml of water where I have like 400mg Mg chloride, 4g sea salt, 4g potassium chloride and 3 drops of 3,5% hydrochloric acid. I will drink it through the day and also before and after meals with added 10 drops of hydrochloric acid.

Yura what do you base these quantitys on? No chemical reaction that could mean trouble if you use this mix? Thanks for the idea.

Also have you guys come to an agreement of what aminos should be used to improve digestions? I read in another thread the HCL form was the prefered i suppose for redundancy of needing hcl? But i havent come to a conclusion yet of EXACTLY what aminiosi need lol. Help guys.. is not like i havent been reading this forum.. some say MAP type of product with histidine added.. other say EAA's.. other says just 2 basic (protonated) aminos / 3 etc.

 

[Yura]

Yura what do you base these quantitys on? No chemical reaction that could mean trouble if you use this mix? Thanks for the idea.

Also have you guys come to an agreement of what aminos should be used to improve digestions? I read in another thread the HCL form was the prefered i suppose for redundancy of needing hcl? But i havent come to a conclusion yet of EXACTLY what aminiosi need lol. Help guys.. is not like i havent been reading this forum.. some say MAP type of product with histidine added.. other say EAA's.. other says just 2 basic (protonated) aminos / 3 etc.

I was taking hydrochloric acid like 5 weeks. It detoxed my system for sure, but as soon as I started with histidine and then whey protein i stopped with hcl.. I would definitely recommend good quality whey protein isolate or even better DH32 hydrolyzed protein. It is almost like amino acids in free form. But you will get much higher effective doses than with single amino acid supplements like EAAs.. + you can take some histidine which is probably deficient in most people with low stomach acid and some taurine and glycine is also ok. If you have bad digestion I would stay away from hard to digest foods like dairy with caseine, gluten, legumes, beef, pork etc.. Eat easy to digest foods like gluten free carb sources= potatoes, white rice, buckwheat, sorghum and for protein like eggs, white meat from poultry chicken/turkey breast, sea food, here and there some fish like cod. + steamed vegetables and fruit for snacking and if you need to add fats then some ghee, coconut/olive oil... It is basically athletes/bodybuilding diet where you can eat a lot of it, because it is easy on digestion.. I found this type of diet the best for me and i tried everything.. Always end up with melas like eggs with rice or chicken breast with rice/ potatoes/ vegies etc.. But I would have the core of the proteins from whey hydrolyzed(DH32) protein to make sure that your body has enough of amino acids even if your digestion is bad.. I found that even if you use betaine or hydrochloric acid with very heavy and hard to digest meals. The people with really bad digestion will have trouble to absorb the nutrients from that..

 

[gar0u87]

Hi. You are not taking the electrolyte triad or catalytic triad ?(enzymes or ser, his, asp, is there anyone following this ?). Im on about waxy potatoes lately at the recomendation of tyw on peat forums, and taking cooking idea and techniques from AIP diet, here is a good post of him on cyrcadian rythms dictating carb/fat as prefered substrate -> Tyw. Said Something That Makes Alot Of Sense!. I need to revisit this one as its relevant to bodybuilding and pretty much a game anger, ill ask on local forums to see what i can dig up.

Any reason you favour white meat? I've noticed the degree of hydrolysis.. broken bonds... is 32% but the free amino acid content is 82,45%? Proto whey is about DH 30% and 70% di- and tri- peptides and low neglible ffAA's, do you have any idea how they achieve this? Never seen a product remotely close to this one.. They could spike with free aminos? i guess they cant be that blatant lol. Genuinely interested.... if legit is a good find indeed and i would cake this stuff everywhere lol

Also Yura and anyone else , do you guys remember the greens product that gbolduev reommened that doesnt have goitrogens on it? And.. nutriplex multi is actualy vitamins throu biosynthesis of whole food, or just extracts 'capped' together? Is this the product ? Whole Food

 

[Yura]

I feel like shit on potassium and magnesium chloride. I just eat vegetables and fruits for potassium and I use a lot of sea salt.. + I am making calcium ascorbate(5g ascorbic acid + 3g calcium carbonate) for better absorption. calcium carbonate alone is crazy alkaline.. Well if you can find even better protein then buy that. I like lean white meat more, because it is very easy to digest.. I would like to take enzymes, with the meals and also on empty stomach for cleansing the body. But it is to expensive for me now..

 

[noprop]

what milk do fins drink? raw/never heated or heated/pasteurised/UHT? because there is a huge difference between heated and unheated...

Exactely! Do not take dairy anyway.
Gbold said a lot of right things.
Sheep people are not aware and will geht the illnesses and...yeah, that is life.

 

[supernature]

dr. barefoot in his book 'The Calcium Factor' said that calcium from milk and cheese will not be absorbed until lactic acid issues are resolved... once lactic acid issue is resolved, the person will naturally crave milk and cheese for its calcium...

this is why he recommends coral calcium with natural magnesium in a 2:1 ratio...once the calcium from coral calcium or eggshells neutralise lactic acid(and other metabolic waste acids) in the body, the person will crave milk and/or cheese

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[noprop]

@noprop how else do you get the minimum RDA(Recommended Daily/Dietary Allowance) for calcium ? which is 1000mg/day for average adult(1200mg/day for people over 50 and for children and for pregnant women, more for those who exercise)

Most people think dairy has enough calcium. Not true. High calcium levels can even be dangerous. Just search online for good sources. Best

 

[Yura]

Most people think dairy has enough calcium. Not true. High calcium levels can even be dangerous. Just search online for good sources. Best

What is not true? Good quality dairy products are the best sources of calcium and cofactors like vitD/K2, amino acids, other minerals etc.. I really don't believe that leafy greens or other plants are good source of calcium, because they are high in antinutrients. Weston Price and his work is correct in this. Like people in switzerland where they eat very high quality dairy, some whole grains, low sugar diets had amazing strong skeleton frame, wide jaws and nice, strong teeth. People who are eating grain diet have usually bad teeth and bones.. Btw you can't compare USA diet full of sugar and low quality, highly processed dairy with diet of good quality dairy, starches like potatoes, grains + vegetables.. If there is no inflammation, high sugar, low micronutrient factors. The calcium will be used the right way..

 

[HerrFisch]

when we are sick and/or exercise we should get DAILY the Upper Tolerable Limit (UL)[The highest amount you can take without risk] of all nutrients.

Yeah, just fill up everything. Pretty easy. Just buy some multi vitamin and take 10x daily and you are healthy. Thanks
Health is so easy.

 

[Yura]

Egg shells are pain in the ass. They won't dissolve in lemon juice or yes but you need juice from like 2 kg of lemons for low amount of shells. But calcium carbonate is reacting with ascorbic acid immediately and make absorbable form calcium ascorbate..

 

[Yura]

simple powdered eggshells work... thats why i posted the study link

doesn't work for me. Eggshells = calcium carbonate which is very alkaline and for this to absorb you need very good stomach acid production... On the other hand calcium carbonate reacted with some acid(citric, ascorbic) is not so alkaline anymore, doesn't require stomach acid so it is much easier for the body to absorb..

 

[supernature]

Both Calcium Factor and Death by Diet book is pretty much the same book with the same information written by the same guy..

Everybody needs to take a honest look at their diet and tell me if you get EVERYDAY the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA) or Adequate Intake (AI) of all minerals and vitamins.

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