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[Mattie Devon]

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[ruprmurdoch]

it is obvious for me that shbg and prolactin is going down, so you have better production of testosterone. those markers can be decreased even better with vit b6, magnesium and zinc

 

[ruprmurdoch]

HTMA is long run, probably it will take minimum 6 months to see change. Maybe even 2 yrs.
maybe you can use nitric oxide protocol , which is

Folinic acid -
5-MTHF -
Arginine -
L citrulline -
Nattokinase
mgcl + kcl
beacuse if erection is painful it could mean damaged veins
But if you are doing htma it would be stupid to take supplements which tei do not list for you

 

[ruprmurdoch]

Thanks for advice, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea. For nitric oxide to work superoxide dismutase is needed, which uses copper and zinc. I think forcing NO in my case would either just make me feel like shit, because of no SOD, or make me feel okayish, then deplete my already low copper and make me feel like shit^2. Low manganese could also be the reason why NO doesn't work, though I'm not familiar with hairtests and I don't know what low manganese in hair really means. Getting a good boner right now is hardly a priority for me anyway. I assume improved circulation would help with tinnitus and vertigo too and it would be nice, but still, not worth the risk - I'm not interested in duct tape solutions. They accomplish nothing but delay recovery in my opinion.

> folinic acid
> 5-MTHF

What's the idea behind taking both active and inactive b9?

dont know actually but thats what helen wrote

 

[MNK99]

Hey man.... Perhaps just like work up to 3-4 days bro.
And then 7-10.... and like 20... -30?

Maybe if you can, a water fasting retreat (really expensive, I didn't. and like most here didn't).

Try and get electrolytes in. I was luckily sort of back at home, and very ill in 2018 when I did it. It helped get rid of all my neuro sides or most of them, but I messed up with juice feasting, and short fasts again and again... until really settling in it. I think day 3-5 hunger will be gone. Throw away any nice snacks. Any gluten, deserts, whatever is tempting in your pantry and fridge, perhaps you should get rid of it.

Good luck bro. Himalayan pink sea salt for electrolytes.
Maybe journal offline everyday. Sorry man I know it's hard. Nina and I did fast a lot (for different reasons) back in 2018. I still feel it is hard lol, but I did it. Bruschi has done a very significant amount of fasting too.
Perhaps he has some tips. Sorry I couldn't be more useful...

 

[MNK99]

Good Luck with your Fast mate. I am certain it can help you a lot. It saved my life back in 2018. ANd let meds like ru486, randro/4andro, electrolyte protocol, etc, etc, diet and exercise.. carb backloading... some herbs, and pct (natural/herbal after randro/4andro cycles)... it helped me lock in all those gains.

Fasting fixed tons of stomach issues and stubborn watery fat as well as suicidal thoughts and planning. it saved me and i became godly at the end of that year.
. Craziest lifts ever 2018. Couldn't lift once in 2017 (maybe once badly... I was dead everywhere). 2019 still insane numbers high volume workouts, 10-11 exercises and also calisthenics and walking lots. I felt 25... at 30 plus. lifted like 700-745- maybe 800x from 2018-2019 end. fasting will set you up nicely man.

I wish you all the best. Great for slow oxidizers.

 

[MNK99]

Dalaying school a bit is ok bro. I did uni my second one after discontinuing effexor xr. didn't know I had pssd. Had other shyt going on too (lots of friends in drug trade...., had to leave the country... and start somewhere else LOL, i was a fkd up kid). That was at 21-22. Anyways... i delayed things. And also later in 20's delayed some more shyt because of finasteride. Not ideal... but don't put too much pressure on yourself. RIght this second. Crashing 9mo sucks... but yeah I hear you. I was there all of 2017.

 

[MNK99]

maybe have some electrolytes bro. some himalayan pink sea salt in water, for the dry mouth. Not sure if it should be daily or every couple days. Probably once or twice a day won't hurt.

 

[MNK99]

Wow. Keep going buddy! I believe in you. This will be so healing and helpful... All the other additional treatments will be so much better.

 

[bruschi11]

20th day of water fast wow didn’t know you were doing it. And literally never see people talking about fasting in pfs world (not that I read pfs world much anymore).

Ya dick dies. You get cold. It’s not easy. But it isn’t that hard. It’s peaceful day 5-6 on. Etc etc seems like we are on same page.

I did 3 long water fasts. The first ended being heavenly. The second two were failures due to 1 ) I had Lyme during it. 2) I had antibiotic damage and methylation problems from the antibiotic damage.

But when I was living at say 60% with pfs in 2017.. the water fast really got me to 85% very quickly. Within a month after I was doing really great.

 

[balance seeker]

Day 20th. - minimum achieved
Fasting is surprisingly easy after a while. I won't bullshit that I feel great, but it used to be worse. I can get some things done throughout the day, I don't move so slowly anymore, my coordination has improved. Dick is completely dead though and I think I'm losing hair. I'm slowly starting to look like Christian Bale in Machinist, but I think I still have enough reserves to keep on going. I don't know. It'd be nice to have a guarantee that it's worth the effort.
EDIT: And I still feel cold most of the time.

Are you doing DAILY large 4- 5 liter enemas ?

 

[bruschi11]

Are you doing DAILY large 4- 5 liter enemas ?

Don’t see why they would be needed during a fast. I did them during a fast once and noticed no help.

Fasting is more about resetting the system than cleaning. Sure it cleans during the fast. But it’s really the system that does the cleaning. It’s not like physical stuff you’re trying to pull from the body in a long fest

That stuff is better with liver flushes coffee enemas. Fasting is different.

 

[MNK99]

Good Fucking Job Mate!! I was godly the next 3 years after my first long fast (FKD up and tried juice feasting first. was too sick or perhaps being a slow oxi it didn't help me as much. Maybe breuss did, maybe juice feasting was ok but I made perma changes with the water fast). You will crush it. Parents won't understand shyt usually... Gotta persevere regardless. Hopefully you have some close friends to confide in. You can always write here mate .

 

[bruschi11]

Day 25
I'm fucking tired. Maybe I've overexerted myself in the last couple of days trying to study and cleaning the home. Maybe it's just my body telling me that it's time to to break the fast. I don't know. Lately I'm having worse headaches and tinnitus. It might be from sinuses as I feel sometimes feel something dripping down in the back of my throat and my upper right sinus definitely hurts when i apply pressure. I also uuuum shat a bit of a clear-white goo yesterday. Is it that famous candida die off?

tbh I'd like my fast to be over already. But at the same time I'd like PFS to be over even more. I have a life a to reclaim.
Per asperat ad astra.
I just with my parents didn't worry so much.

If you’re ready to end it, then end it man. You did good. Honestly don’t think if you go another 15 days it will change too much.

Be proud of yourself. This was your first time. Slowly break the fast with soups. Lemon egg drop soup with veggies. Go slow. Rice veggies like broccoli mushrooms squash. I think Mattyb posted a post fast guide here somewhere on this forum.

 

[MNK99]

OH yeah for sure as Bruschi11 says, end it properly with the right meal. I did homemade veggie broth (My mom made it... tasted amazing). Later I made some hot pots of vegan food ... later still, I added a couple eggs, then meat. No takeout like 7-8months but very clean, donair no sauce, meat and rice basically and veg I had later. But for 5-6 months and especially the first couple months after breaking fast I ate clean as fuck. No gluten 2 years. Cheese I had maybe 5-6 times but yeah I probably should have stuck to that strict forever....

Was wearing clothes from when I was 18 and looking better by 2019. An all new wardrobe end of 2018 and beginning of 2019 with some classics thrown in. Which is nice, because I look deceased the year prior.

Mattyb's guide was good. I remember writing some mods back then incessantly about my plan to get better. Honestly for many people fasting cures or kickstarts recovery of like so many different chronic illnesses. We all had multiple things going wrong. The exact name, whether CFS, PFS, or adrenal fatigue plus pfs, this and that doesn't matter too much.

I got surgery drugs, painkillers, lamictal, finasteride, I guess amphetamines (ADHD medicine legit), out of my system with that fast. And a fluoroquinolone. 2017 was hell on earth for me.
Anyways I digress... keep going on your journey whether you continue to fast or not. I believe in you.

 

[RebelWithACause]

Congrats man. Impressive!

 

[MNK99]

Congrats bro!! Amazing Effort. And I played some of your music good stuff. I am sure you will heal awesomely wow 32 days. 4-6 weeks with great effort on refeeding and you will be feeling a lot better, I think. And in a few months even moreso. Refeed properly, and follow that list if you can - that old refeed info. My fast in 2018 January set me up to heal like fk. I felt super cured July... very good and cured OCtober if not close to it. Feb March June 2019 I practically forgot about PFS, but knew it trauma wise.... Anyways, I was doing damn well and you fasted even longer, so I think you'll be great. Impressive indeed.

Don't rush the refeed and ease into daily strength training... and your hair tests will be awesome. You'll crush it man.

 

[MNK99]

Veggie broth saved me in refeed but yeah maybe you didn't see Mattyb's tips. Eggs were added for me later like day 4-7 or something....

Sick update bro. Yeah reddit... youtube etc not really for our serious fasting which was for illness. Lots of nonsense out there. Probably some did it right on youtube but we are all different and different foods suit us in different states. I think you've seen this, and your fast has been done for a while.

From Orion's log:
"Here is Mattyb's refeed thoughts and ideals, this has been posted many time:

Mattyb breaking fast protocol:

Days 1-7

Focus on mineral intake, particularly magnesium, sodium and potassium
Calories will still be low at this point, you'll likely regain some water weight but continue to lose fat
Vegetable broths, soups, well cooked vegetables, cooked leafy greens, etc.
Maybe some rice
Minimal herbs/spices
A bit of fats (eggs, butter) mixed in with the soups
Not very much protein, if any
Introduce food/calories slowly

Days 7-21
Anything from days 1-7 would be fine
Calorie intake will be slightly low, trending towards maintenance near the third week
Fresh vegetables and greens marinated in olive oil/vinegar
Some herbs/spices
More rice, maybe some well-cooked oats, small amounts of fruit, possibly small amounts of tubers
Small amounts of well cooked meat/seafood daily (slow roasted would be a good option)
Increase fat and protein gradually to get pancreas and gallbladder up to speed over these two weeks.

Days 21+
Everything from before is fine
Calories should be around maintenance near this point
By this point you should be able to exercise easily
More fruit, more carbohydrates (according to activity levels)
More foods high in manganese (oats, cereals, etc.) if well tolerated
More meat (and/or supplement zinc)
Tubers could be introduced if well tolerated
Should be hitting near the RDA of most vitamins/minerals by this point, with maybe the exception of calcium and vitamins e/d.

If digestion is robust at this point you can likely eat whatever your intuition is pushing you towards

High chloride greens - spinach, chard, beet greens, dandelion greens, and pea shoots are my go to. Sometimes I will mix in more mild greens like butterhead and romaine lettuces. Typically, the more bitter the better. I would sometimes even add salt to the salad for additional chloride.

No, not aspirin. Aspirin is a salicylate, which can stimulate the respiratory center and induce respiratory alkalosis.

Dietary acid loads would come from things like fatty acids, protein (particularly glutamate/aspartate, and maybe cysteine), vinegar (don't overdo it with this, very hard on the teeth and esophagus), HCl supplements, and ammonium chloride supplements - this list is in order from least intense to most intense therapy. Then if you pair this up with lots of water to increase urinary mineral excretion, sweating from exercise/saunas, and maybe even blood donations, you could accelerate the mineral loss. While doing this you'll want to replace essential minerals like chloride, sodium, magnesium, and potassium (lots of greens and salt are good for this) while minimizing calcium and iron intake. Zinc/copper/Mn will depend on which one you're high in, but I think replacing those can wait until you're done with the chelation. Then after all this is done you can increase iron, cysteine and methionine intake and hopefully it takes into hair with some physical stimulation from massage.

Last edited: Oct 28, 2018
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[Outlaw]

Wow 32 days, you're a bionic. Keep up the good work man, you should get some nice improvements over the coming weeks if you take care of yourself