RebelWithACause
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Don't know man I am a fast oxidiser (w/ low Ca/K on first hair test) on both last tests and they never recommended copper to me. Focus heavily on zinc. It seems people have different issues.
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Not sure. The previous cycle didn't do me well and this one suggests the same supplements, but double the copper.
I might do nothing and send in another hair test a few weeks from now. Can't say my faith in nutritional balancing is at an all time high, though and I don't think Helen knows something about this matter, seeing he doesn't respond.
I might do nothing and send in another hair test a few weeks from now. Can't say my faith in nutritional balancing is at an all time high, though and I don't think Helen knows something about this matter, seeing he doesn't respond.
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Had a call with my practitioner. He mentioned that the low copper is a good sign; when it's below 1.0 it means copper toxicity and that it now starts to come out. Hence the groggy feeling.
Not sure I believe him at that. Can't find anything on low copper hinting at being copper toxic on Dr Wilson's site, either.
Not sure I believe him at that. Can't find anything on low copper hinting at being copper toxic on Dr Wilson's site, either.
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I’m told I’m copper toxic with low copper in hair per both Helen and my practitioner.
Zinc/manganese/molybdnum are my main minerals being supplemented.
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Yeah, our copper/zinc ratio is very simular now. But they only advice me copper, and a crap load at that.
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I was told low estrogen in my bloods helps indicate the low bioavailable copper.
Also, I think ARL is more apt to recognize hidden copper toxicity than TEI. And ARL will have you work on it with copper antagonists similar to my dosing.
I’m not sure of all this. Just what I’ve taken in.
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You might be iron toxic. thus your hormones are not working. since testosterone increases iron absorption. And if you are iron toxic, testosterone is prohibited.
Iron coming out and it is causing bad sides.
you see how your iron is going up huge. it causes oxidative stress and spends even more copper in SOD
as I said already to @bruschi11 these people know compartments,
look at @RebelWithACause you see they did not give him copper, they gave him zinc, since they knew he had high copper.in the brain
you see his copper is coming out now?
same with Admiral , they are pushing IRON out. since some how they knew that his iron is high.
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Not sure. Iron came out before (2nd hair test in signature). It seems to fluctuate easily.
They advice me copper (6x a day), magnesium, calcium and vitamine E, along with a crap load of digestive aids (6 a day), but still read me as a fast oxidizer.
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I will think about your hairtest, but please can you sort them thru time, so I see which one is which , I am confused, and I donthave much time, to go look for stuff. Very busy with work now.
sort the hairtests I will look thru
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I sorted them out. It should be in my signature now. This mac is a pain in the ass though, so sorry for some being shown differently.
My symptoms (a lot are skin related) indicate a problem with copper.
Since I've only been a fast oxidizer the moment I touched hydrogen water (went from SLOW 4 to FAST 4 - that's insane). Now that I am off sups completely, my oxidation rate dropped from FAST 4 to FAST 1 in the blink of an eye. I reckon if I pause a little longer it might fall back into my true oxidation rate.
Plus, most of my symptoms reflect slow (dry skin, dry and brittle hair, pretty much no hormonal output, etc).
My symptoms (a lot are skin related) indicate a problem with copper.
Since I've only been a fast oxidizer the moment I touched hydrogen water (went from SLOW 4 to FAST 4 - that's insane). Now that I am off sups completely, my oxidation rate dropped from FAST 4 to FAST 1 in the blink of an eye. I reckon if I pause a little longer it might fall back into my true oxidation rate.
Plus, most of my symptoms reflect slow (dry skin, dry and brittle hair, pretty much no hormonal output, etc).
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I like idea of chilling out for a bit. Maybe a couple short fasts like 48-72 hours. Maybe experiment with a hormonal route after you test your hair too.
I wanna see you get there man. For yourself and for the cause. “I’ve had pfs for 15 years and finally this is what got me over the hump.”
Most guys here are newbies on this site like 1-4 years in it seems at max. Most old timers that don’t get better seem to quit or just hate hackstasis cuz they think we are hurting foundation.
The more we learn the more it’s obvious there’s no actual cure for this. All about fixing complete system as “JN” stressed in his recovery and Helen stresses here.
Fighting copper with copper
"To get rid of the copper I was religious about supporting the adrenals with adaptogens of various types as well as large amounts of Vit C (ascorbic acid form, maybe not the best form to use), magnesium bisglycinate, manganese, 300 mg zinc citrate/day for nearly a year (massive amount that I tracked carefully with HTMA’s and serum zinc tests) and 3 mg chelated copper daily, two weeks on, two weeks off for a couple of months"
"This knowledge I learned and am sharing will give them confidence to carry on. Blood tests for Ceruloplasmin or serum copper are useless and do not reflect body burden. I ran those several times and they didn’t correlate with my HTMA copper levels. I did HTMA’s every three months for a total of 14 HTMA’s"
Thats insane. 300 mg zinc. And he disfrutado 14 htma, oh god
"To get rid of the copper I was religious about supporting the adrenals with adaptogens of various types as well as large amounts of Vit C (ascorbic acid form, maybe not the best form to use), magnesium bisglycinate, manganese, 300 mg zinc citrate/day for nearly a year (massive amount that I tracked carefully with HTMA’s and serum zinc tests) and 3 mg chelated copper daily, two weeks on, two weeks off for a couple of months"
"This knowledge I learned and am sharing will give them confidence to carry on. Blood tests for Ceruloplasmin or serum copper are useless and do not reflect body burden. I ran those several times and they didn’t correlate with my HTMA copper levels. I did HTMA’s every three months for a total of 14 HTMA’s"
Thats insane. 300 mg zinc. And he disfrutado 14 htma, oh god
Again, I may be completely speaking out of school, but you, me, @Boris and @bruschi11 took H2 at the same time. The question remains: can one month of hydrogen water, still be that strong that 7/8 months and 4 cycles of HTMA can’t restore you to your natural balance? I find it suspect because, as we know, our bodies want to return to homeostasis. The supplements that TEI gives you would be to sow you down, which, if you truly were a slow oxidizer, you body would want to do anyway, and you think that with the supps and your body working together, it could undo what H2 water did. Yet, we find ourselves still in the fast.... I don’t totally understand all this, but it seems strange to think that we wouldn’t overcome the damage of H2 quickly, given all the things working against it.
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Exactly my thoughts.
Though I took a break for 3 weeks before I tested my hair again and I now am a FAST 1 instead of a FAST 4. Seems like doing nothing over time might make you fall back into your true oxidation rate. Not sure, but I think it goes: SLOW 4 - SLOW 3 - SLOW 2 - SLOW 1 - MIXED OXIDATION - FAST 1 - FAST 2 - FAST 3 - FAST 4.
'll continue my break and test in another few weeks. If I am still a fast one then, then I will just accept that I am and continue the supplements, if slow, fine as well.
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One thing I don't get about mineral balancing is that I've had completely different hair tests; slow, fast, most minerals have at some point been low or high, sometimes ratio's were better than some who felt much more recovered, etc, yet my main symptoms have always remained. Which is odd. I have no idea what to look forward to, which minerals or ratio's need to improve before I will improve.
Is it the length you need to take the sups?
Is it the length you need to take the sups?
RebelWithACause
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My first hair test did not look insanely bad but after I started taking the supplements things started to move around.
I think they look at how you react to food on the first place. Then they add supplements for your oxidation rate (fast/slow) to balance you to the middle instead of being very fast or very slow.
In the process of moving you to the middle things might come up like copper toxicity, iron toxicity, etc. As you can see in my second hairtest copper came out more. So now they put me on a program which focusses on getting copper out/lowering estrogen.
Your body will always try to keep you stable which is why your first hair test can look normal. Once you give the body nutrients that it needs to fix the imbalance it will start switching around.
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I think the only explanation for that is that you used things that fucked up your results.
Probably things that were so strong that it gave you high readings of something that isn’t actually high. Like using cortisol gives you high Na and K on your hairtest. And the results normally should give you insight to your metabolism for a timespan of 1-3 months. But with cortisol or else it looks like it but it actually wasn’t the case.(high na and k)
But that’s only my opinion.
I now made 7 hairtests which all were pretty much the same / going in one direction.
I really only had one thing fluctuating big time which was K while supplementing 5g Potassiium daily. But that was kind of expected.
Actually my latest hairtest is pretty much similar to my very first one. Of course with improvements.
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I think one thing we fail to recognize is pathogens when it comes to hair testing. You don’t know if you have a population changing things in terms of nutritional balance in your body.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that hydrogen water allowed pathogens to invade me. Mycoplasma, Lyme came back raging.
That said, I understand that your pfs isn’t much of a cfs @Admiral , but read Ihatepropecia702 story. He didn’t have much of cfs at all, but still he went crazy on gut and pathogens for a full year and that’s what cured him.
Maybe a week long colloidal silver run or mms. I don’t know- we don’t want to mess with hair analysis much, but I just believe some bodies can’t get into balance with a pathogen load in the way.
You did say you could only shit every 2 days before tei/ARL. Something was causing this and pathogens could’ve been at play.
To add to this, some pathogens aren’t going to cause crazy Lyme-like cfs type symptoms. They’re just there helping enable imbalances. Ask @Ocguy - if you mess around with ozone, hydrogen then some sort of pathogological colony can just burst ahead in body.
Let’s be realistic here. 95% of pfs recoveries prior to hackstasis were from fixing gut. I think our community here is a bit over obsessed with mineral balancing. As important as it is, there is more to health than mineral balancing.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that hydrogen water allowed pathogens to invade me. Mycoplasma, Lyme came back raging.
That said, I understand that your pfs isn’t much of a cfs @Admiral , but read Ihatepropecia702 story. He didn’t have much of cfs at all, but still he went crazy on gut and pathogens for a full year and that’s what cured him.
Maybe a week long colloidal silver run or mms. I don’t know- we don’t want to mess with hair analysis much, but I just believe some bodies can’t get into balance with a pathogen load in the way.
You did say you could only shit every 2 days before tei/ARL. Something was causing this and pathogens could’ve been at play.
To add to this, some pathogens aren’t going to cause crazy Lyme-like cfs type symptoms. They’re just there helping enable imbalances. Ask @Ocguy - if you mess around with ozone, hydrogen then some sort of pathogological colony can just burst ahead in body.
Let’s be realistic here. 95% of pfs recoveries prior to hackstasis were from fixing gut. I think our community here is a bit over obsessed with mineral balancing. As important as it is, there is more to health than mineral balancing.
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