Carnivore Diet

[MNK99]

YMMV but if someone fasts 22hrs a day for decades/years like I have most the time... and water fasts 30d... you're really fucking up if you don't look young. OR there's other health shyt going on.

I can find plenty of good looking young looking people doing fasting or carnivore. Dr. Chaffee is 42 he looks amazing. He says his parents are getting younger too. You know if you say a few wrong things you can get kicked out of medicine right? Like Shawn Baker may have. Chaffee, gets donations on youtube lol, I have had siblings doing residency, they work like 110-140hrs a week and make less than min wage.
FOR five - eight yrs, after med school (in it they make zero usually or near it, before that they make little or none also usually).

Chaffee does shyt between shifts and is a mature student, 42/ doing residency but that's not even that bad... I'd be older if I entered med school, then did that residency. We have family friends that are neurosurgeons, people I grew up with or that my brother or cousins went to school with. They work really hard and have nothing to gain by risking one of the most elite careers possible and a good income, to shill a diet. Saladino sure, he never practiced and went there after chilling for five yrs, and being a physician's assistant for a time.

IF it was about looks and examples.. no one would ever do minerals or anything really. People think they'll look like bodybuilders after 1-2 yrs lifting, without correct form, hormones being high, diet, and genetics, they don't. they can look really well after 5-8 years more like 10 for most ppl (16-26) but most don't stick with it.

I think you're viewing it wrong. AND carnivore or whatever diet helped lots of people, including people with PFS. IN case you haven't realized, we're kind of on our own for chronic conditions. I know people in my own life that are no longer here that probably would have benefited from such diets.

People could say intermittent fasting is a scam... it kept me ripped most of 20 years. Counting macros, carbs, protein doesn't work... ditto.
Diet and exercise is a scam u either have the genetics or u don't. ppl accused me of roids BEFORE ever touching sarms and years after them (almost 7-8) and 3 yrs after randro/4andro. it was mostly discipline and setting myself up to succeed.

FASTING made me young months and years after fasting. I intend on doing it again, and not for immediate results (sure when really healthy it can do that). To repair a brain injury it takes time. I don't think everyone here was equally as sick.

Most people including here can't stick to a diet for 2 weeks. I've accidentally dieted/ done ADF, etc, intermittent fasting for weeks to years straight. Let alone juice feasting, water fasting etc. You can't judge carnivore on 2 weeks and you can't judge water fasting on 5 days, unless it is for a cute weight loss thing.

That is like someone recovering from covid versus pfs. there's a big difference (covid almost killed and did kill a lot of ppl but i mean typical run of the mill bullshit covid that most people got).

A minor cold versus this PFS/TBI. Ozeph did brain scans, showed TBI basically. Ghost and I had permanently worsened ADHD from Effexor, not everyone just had some issues. I had all of them on that PH list.

 

[MNK99]

Read conflicting reports on innuit (Seal or whatever only diet). They don't live long supposedly but some docs claim they were aite. IDK. Suicide and other shyt is high. It is a hard to live environment and extremely cold (we get arctic shelf patterns here too in my city, it has been minus 45-minus 50, all of 2018 2019 winter was pretty fucking cold. and often minus 40-minus 50 with windchill in winter but it isn't always so bad. sometimes minus 25-minus 30 and often only minus 17-29).

 

[RebelWithACause]

Bear/Owsley looked far older than the average old person at the end of his life. He did pure carnivore for a long long time. Chaffee looks older than his age. But looks healthy. Better than a lot.

Just look at the Snake Diet guy who does a lot of fasts. Looks way older now. Fasting doesn't work if you don't fix underlying issues. Which needs nutrients and metabolism. Of course people will say "Well Snake Diet guy did a different diet! He ate too much this or that!" You can't fast for years. Eventually you'll have to eat. The fasting didn't give him anti aging. Or at least it did not outcompete his diet.

A lot of vegans also promote fasting because they eat the wrong stuff for their body. Then feel better fasting. They fast a lot often and claim it's awesome. Truth is they hate what they eat and the body knows it's bad for their body chemistry. For some people a vegan diet probably works. Because they have that body chemistry that uses up those specific nutrients (copper, potassium, magnesium, etc.).

I was very sick and fasting helped kinda but not fix my issues at all. It just helped. It's not a miracle thing. Maybe for specific people it is. But definitely not like it is promoted now as some sort of magic elixir. And I respect Helen, he gave so much info which you can't find anywhere. But this is just my experience with fasting.

If you have been eating a shit diet for your body chemistry then fasting is probably a good way to reset it all and use up the excess. That's it...

I fasted for 11 days which is not much but I felt my metabolism and healing was down to 0%. Last 2 days in fast I did not feel anything. Not good or bad. Just nothing like nothing happened in my body.

I also did carnivore diet in PFS and it helped. Not cured though.

If you believe in carnivore diet then do it... it's that simple. I now feel bad from meat. I can't eat it too much. I ate thousands of kilo's of meat. But I also know people who can't digest meat, it's different. That's why there are so many differences with people. Most people lack the mental capacity to see that there are a lot of different possibilities in life. That's why you have religious people following simple thoughts and books.

 

[MNK99]

That's totally wrong, I ate well for my body chemistry like 14 years pre fasting, I was sick from fin, that's why I fasted. There are people who fasted for cancer etc.... and they didn't cause it themselves.

Sure fasting can help some reset with a bad diet, but I barely had any diet at all pre fasting. I was doing juice feasting weeks pre that. And I was ripped, every year before 2017, for like 7 years in a row. Not perfect diets but pretty good. Fast oxidizers are supposedly not supposed to fast anyways and your experience won't mirror everyone's (in many things).

I am just saying not everyone is religious, I have tried many different diets too. In fact I believe in fasting more than all these things including minerals and all, but yeah it is harder to do in a sense.
There's nothing to believe, I was brain damaged and suicidal and unable to read... or do anything, barely could watch a show, all my posts on here started during and after fasting.

Bad diet doesn't cause severe brain damage or whatever, it was finasteride. yeah it help fat loss and this and that carnivore and is helping activity more but I am not sure if it helping hormones and stuff I can't see, like all the enzymes. That is why minerals are probably better, especially TEI because it gives a program. Better for me, I am sure there are people with issues that carnivore fixes. I will stick it out longer though.

It is true, you cannot fast forever and ever. It is a great tool for many, however it is going to be hard to rely on forever. Fasting helped me get to like 99 percent healed. I was healing things beyond PFS, I just find it hard to believe, that can only be done with TEI. If I did stop that and didn't continue because life got busy, and I was trying to live my life without being concerned about health or PFS, then that is tragic.

I will get TEI again soon. I didn't believe that water fasting could help me until it really was helping me. Without it, I wouldn't have done randro/4andro, treated ADHD again, kept a clean super clean diet, and gotten back to training, working, and studying. Sure there is no magic elixer that works for every single condition/illness and for everyone, and all their chemistries.

I can see some good things about carnivore and some bad things, but it may improve using it longer. Maybe I do that, and get to my bodyfat goals... and then start TEI. AND then, see if I should change my diet.
But see the results on TEI with carnivore, otherwise just change the diet. I am hoping minerals are a lot better than test enanthate and anavar, and I am pretty sure they are, considering they helped sexual health for many months/ 1.5 years or so to come (although I am sure a lot of that was randro/4andro, and herbs, etc the months before 2018 sept and jan 2019).

Maybe TEI will help me rapidly catch up. IF I quit carnivore it may be because I am at some of my fitness goals, it may be because hormones or tei are helping me more.
I do feel like I am lacking vegetables/ fibre digestion wise as well as hormonal / mineral support. Mg, b, enzymes even with an imperfect diet would help digestion a lot for me, cooked spinach/ some veggies too.

But, I will stick it out. There's way less digestion anyways. I know there's many possibilities in life, people literally called me a rockstar in 2019, I was fit, ripped, good looking, and healthy as fuck, possibly healthier than ever again. I only went down in health a bit and didn't treat it because what was I going to do?? I already recovered from PFS and other things, and I didn't feel like explaining, I have to do minerals even though maybe 200 people in western canada will know what the fuck I'm talking about. And I knew asking/ talking to most doctors would be a waste of time, hormonal wise.

I got TRT prescribed because I stayed up and crashed test with sarms, because I thought maybe it would help and I could avoid doing things that reminded of when I was sick but realistically I did tei in good health and enzymes and all anyways, so it isn't something to be feared. Yeah maybe he doesn't look ten-fifteen years younger but I mean this is hugely genetics, self care, and other things. It is mostly for overall health and if it helps people's body chemistry great, if other things are needed, that's fine too. Obviously people respond to things differently, hence why I said YMMV and said that like 100 times in my old posts.

We're on the same team. 11 days is not bad at all for a fast, and I think maybe that could be near the limit for fast 1's. 3 I have talked to here did 10-11 days max, most did 7-8 or less.

Yeah I mean I respond to certain supps amazingly and certain meds amazingly. DEX = 9.5/10 9.9/10 even with near 2 yrs off (cuz of being down mentally not because i am better off without it).
Anavar maybe 6-7 /10 more i am sure with more lifting. test e etc 5-6 /10... but test cream and i never tried but prop probably 8.5-9/10 and 8/10 respectively.

I will get more test cream and experiment with some hormones on carnivore but mostly cut bodyfat and preserve LBM, and then I will do tei. IF at 6-12 weeks things are hella better nice, if it seems I am hurting myself a bit with hormones, or they do nothing, then yeah I will quit that. IF I have a lot of health to catch up on then TEI it is.

I paid EVENBETTERNOW like 400-450 canadian for 2 tests (bad exchange rate, CAD to USD), and I don't see them in the mail, I mean I don't see their testing kit. Not sure.

ALSO my bro worked like 120-140hrs a week like 6 yrs straight in his first residency, he says neurosurgeons and bone surgeons sometimes work even harder, so 150hrs a week, that's not going to be antiaging. I really doubt they work as hard in Aus as they do Canada, but still. Many people would fall apart in Chaffee's profession. He also played rugby professionally pre medicine.

No one is saying and I never said that because these ppl do whatever ev1 does. I cured PSSD with zero help zero forums, as a kid. Lost like 80lbs pre forums and most of PFS on my own but i asked for advice here, I know a lot about health. I'm saying it is kind of silly to argue against people because they are out there. Argue against frauds/scams sure.

My mom looks 20 yrs younger than her age and would even moreso if she had a more restricted diet... I'd probably look young even being unhealthy ish but lean. I did 5 yrs ago, 3 yrs ago and 10 and 12 and 15 yrs ago for the most part. I didn't rite after effexor and rite after PFS. there are people dying that look even younger, it doesn't always mean all that much.

I was just sharing things that I learned. I do agree there are lots of false idols in the alternative health space and traditional health space too. A lot of it is just impossible to know on an individual basis. Data only would help, no one's researching many chronic conditions, and even if they do, a lot of it will be delayed massively and not be useful to us. It's hard to know what to do. I was already really sick before 21-22 and fixed it and maybe detoxing then and regrowing hair at 27 28 from meds and not using certain other meds (for days barely. one day most ADHD medicine. lamictal weeks) in late 20's, maybe TEI would have done that or other minerals however, it is easy to say those don't matter, but what choice is there? I don't think most ppl here went and studied biochem and found out what minerals did what. It is trial and error. The data doesn't exist and if it did, we'd all be 80-100 anyways, so what can you do except try things.

They use data to color HTMA's as pseudoscience anyways. And the "non pseudoscience" is actually pseudoscience, the WEF, ADA, DSM, American Medical societie... have killed millions and millions of people.
Society itself is sick and I was healthier than 99% of people pre 2022 2023. I'm not joking, that was long standing results from this PFS recovery stuff, now not knowing what to do is quite disheartening.

I can tell Saladino looks older, because... his diet changed. The moment he stops training a ton, he will look far older and fatter. WHen he is drinking entire watermelons of sugar, if it works for him good. But it isn't sustainable forever, probably many modes of existence aren't.

Fasting does a lot more than reset just bad diet. EVEN in 8 percent to ten percent bodyfat I still fasted. Helped me ADHD wise and sort thoughts out and organize and was meditative. It works better in better health for me. AND In poor health, it saved me. It was used before there were any studies and is used by mammals. Dogs will instinctively not eat when sick. I used it for flu, depression, insomnia, whatever before. Also there aren't answers people know for each medical thing.

Many diseases can really be seen as just inflammation that manifests differently in individuals.

You can use Fasting for cancers (some types), dimentia, alzheimers, various things that may all be inflammation but not everyone's health issues is just poor diet for them. Seems pretty elusive and no one knows what it is then, which is odd because I was healthy 90% of 20's and 30's with discipline just training an hour or so a day or near it and eating pretty good.

I've heard of Snake Diet, but it doesn't matter. I've known hundreds of ppl that intermittently fast to this day. And lots of fit people that look great for their age. They take care of work and family and life and aren't on youtube, showing their fasting videos. It isn't about belief. I didn't even tell my brother I was water fasting till I was done for fear of people saying it wouldn't work. Pretty sure it was a chain events that finasteride caused, and not bad eating that made me so sick that I had to fast. Considering I was ripped and getting ready to apply to law school the year before that.

Many people are more resistant but if you did hair tests on most people, there would be imbalances for sure. I know you say you don't care about hair tests, but I don't think there's 900 different ways to be healthy. We are all the same species. At the same time there's more than one for sure. General health principles apply to everyone.

If TEI wasn't so annoying and the health space wasn't filled with charletons, I'd probably have continued and mentioned it to more people. It is hard healing in silence/ and not explaining anything to anyone.
But i will get on that soon. I hear you in that people need dif diets at different times (in dif chemistries).

Docs in these respective fields aren't telling ev1 to do it or you're bad. bone docs telling patients to eat a certain way to avoid bone surgery and brain surgeons saying their surgeries don't fix everything and diet would, is a pretty rare site in medicine.

82 year old carnivore. SHE STILL does ranch work.

LARGE NOSE 70 yr old woman carnivore .

No diet will turn someone into Rob Lowe or Jared Leto obviously, but whatever works for you, is good.

PETERSON looks way better on Carnivore than not and people without dimentia by definition have antiaged. People that cured cancer, alzheimers, etc.
NOt saying by any means it's for everyone. I literally said I prefer other diets and like cheese, dairy, some... kefir, spinach, and other stuff. I think med diet and paleo I like most.

I like fasting even better. I looked 22 and strong jacked on coke at 25, I preferred that diet and just getting my school and work done but it isn't sustainable (maybe, probably not).
Can't just do coke forever and die at 99.

I didn't know who Bear/Oseley was until tonight, I looked him up. HE had throat cancer and ate tons of dairy that isn't carnivore anyways. He was sick he probably was stressed and didn't eat perfectly.
These are 4-5 people we are talking about, who cares. I could smoke and not get any blemish most the time, however I took care of my skin 20+ years. That doesn't mean I should smoke the next 20 or 40yrs.

Trust me I'm vain, there's plastic surgeons in my family. I got an abdominoplasty, and whatever... tried fin. GOOD diets aren't good cuz of some person on youtube and they're not bad cuz of someone on youtube either. True magic of a diet shines at 90-200days. I don't even think diet matters as much as time restricted eating for 90% of people. Maybe some need to eat more but I've done one meal or two meals or even three meals in the last 3-6hrs of the day and eating anything, I would feel better than breakfast, lunch and dinner. Literally more work done and better focus, that isn't just cuz it's bad food. It's been like that forever. 99's in grade 12 versus bad grades in grade 10, eating once a day in gr. 12. 90's in finals in university once a day, missing class with issues eating breakfast or lunch.

 

[MNK99]

SEEMS PRETTY FKING HEALTHY TO ME. NOT ON ROIDS.

THIS GUY 65?? not bad.

NOT drinking since 25 helps ppl too and smoking. I quit drinking 24-25 mostly and smoking at 22. Coke at 25*.

KEEP in mind none of these guys are super vain, into dating, seduction, the redpill. If they all had sick haircuts and nice clothes, and were perfectionistic about skin and avoiding sun/ getting tans, whatever the hell many of us were doing, it would make a difference. These are mostly all typical cowboys.


OZEPH's body >>>>nearly all 55 year olds and most 35 and 30 year olds too. So was mine. and it will be. I looked young as fuck, from fitness habits/diet habits that alone in a regimented way is antiaging.
even living only to 88 -90-95 beats most people (at least for now). Intermittent fasting does produce autophagy. Some of your arguments make no logical sense, fasting doesn't cause autophagy, isn't anti aging??

Why did fasting fail at first and digestion didn't turn off? I hadn't reached autophagy yet. Why can't you chew gum on water fasts (to cleanse at least, for calorie restriction sure but it isn't the best), because of the insulin response and turning on digestive processes by chewing, which takes you out of fasted state. The machinery of fasting is turned off.

I could post 100 studies showing otherwise and results of people but why bother.

I literally have had eye tests pre and post fasting and had severe double vision, and lag in vision and astigmatism pre fasting. That was for all intents and purposes brain damage. Not being able to read? I was lying down barely on my computer at all, pre fasting. I was in a vegetative state. What did it do if not for autophagy (people don't even understand what that means)? Just fat loss got me back to life?

Literally had no digestion a year in 2017... It makes sense water fasting doesn't work for everyone. It is for slow oxidizers, if some hair test people are correct.

Cured mine and a lot of people's brain damage, and let us respond to vitamins, minerals, diet protocols, electrolytes, TEI/nutritional balancing, randro/4andro and other things. Androgen receptor sensitivity worked again at some point, in part due to fasting. Pre that I was eating sugar because I was bedridden... and only ordering food. It wasn't years of bad food, it was a severe neurological and endocrine crash.

Most wouldn't have survived that time. I had stomach surgery at the same time and was forced to take painkillers and anasthesia, vision etc worsened. Rapid muscle loss and bad body composition unlike anything I've ever experienced before. Reversed completely and still have A LOT of muscle even years later. Working out 300-350x a year to zero and still jacked (why? because androgens mostly work correctly, my androgen receptors). If not for fasting and all I did, but especially that, we wouldn't be talking period. I wouldn't be here.

 

[MNK99]

MOGS 99.9999%, maybe 100% of people. BEAUTIFUL COAT. 100% CARNIVORE. MOST LOOK GOOD FOR THEIR AGE TOO. JAGUARS AND TIGERS.

 

[MNK99]

Some would say eat like single celled organisms. I'd say viruses, eat like them.

OR

The true ancestral diet is eating how the STARS ate.

"Did a star eat a planet?
It marks the first time anyone has seen a star in the act of eating a planet. A brief burst of light captured by a couple of telescopes was probably caused by a planet about 10 times the mass of Jupiter being swallowed by its sun"

 

[MNK99]

11% smaller brains and 17% smaller brains for women and higher birthweights for both, in last 100 yrs, since agriculture.
Misshapen pelvises too.

Carnivore has its merits. 16-18, now puberty at 7-8, it is from poisonous carbohydrates many will say.

Also when I said we didn't all get full potential, I meant like 95% 98 % of the world under 40, under 45 maybe.


Seems these new foods aren't good. My family are outliers. My brother was tested 168 plus i.q. (He got the highest mark in the world on the MCAT, and governor's general award, and got in an elite surgical program with like 11 people in the country, when I was 23 or so). Mine is pretty high too.

I have an uncle that was an exec of nokia and other comps, and what not. BUT growing up in India, many were not so lucky. SMALLER brains than even that. There are super geniuses from India and also not smart people. My cousin had brain surgery, and 4 degrees. 2 from harvard, 2 math and commerce (at the same time). Uncles in Ivy league - law, finance careers, yeah their families had more money, and so ate more meat and were less religious. TONS of ails come from religion, and a lot of that is in meat.

MEAT consumption down 5.7kg-->3.7kg a year per person on India. And avg age life expectancy has gone down to 66.
Hong Kong, highest meat consumption on earth, it is like 88.

Falling in Canada and USA. It is more processed food. They probably don't measure drug/medication deaths all that much (why would they show medicine hurts people). A lot of that goes back to vegetarianism etc. I have a grand aunt... she is 89 she looked 65 or 60 a few years ago. She eats less meat, is forgetting things.

I have a grand aunt that just passed away, days ago in India. She was 96. Cognitive decline. Avoidable with meat and strength training (not to sound harsh), I am just saying, that even if something isn't specifically anti aging, it doesn't mean populations can't do better, with a strict / restricted diet.

Childhood obesity in the west or in India for that matter, or even Mexico?? Clearly tied to Coca Cola sales. Coke sales are higher than ever in mexico, more ppl drink it there than in India.
Diabetes rates skyrocketed, including childhood ones.

I AM SURE we wouldn't have fared as well eating only veg, only standard canadian diets, etc.

I backed up everything I said and could cite sources, but I am saying some are arguing for no reason. No one said, any one diet or anything will make any one person younger.

Pretty sure ideal health makes you look younger. I had bad health 21, great health 23 24 25 looked younger then. WAY WAY better health 31 32 33 looked better way better than 30.
True finasteride syndrome changes your appearance. Reversed that to this day, and fasting set me up for that.

Granduncles in the Indian military , 6'1 6'2, like IDK 90-95 years ago. Random chance + their parents having money and them eating meat.

Punjabis/sikhs literally the warrior class in Indians, many are bigger than me. All my punjabi sikh friends in western Canada growing up, most were athletic and 6'1-6'4. I think hinduism is very anti meat but sikhism and islam aren't (the major religions in India). Maybe hinduism isn't so anti meat at large, but anti beef. Even fobs that just came from India some were 6'3-6'4 or at least very large muscle mass, that is because for generations they ate lots of meat. Also people into fitness, attract other like minded types but still.

All the wrestlers and indians with medals in olympics are literally punjabi. Pakistanis have different genes and DNA and most of Punjab is there.

The area, H-something... is where all actors are from basically (minus nepotism). People with aryan, iranian, and afghani etc genes. Fair and tall a lot of them (not all, there are south and other actors too, but I mean like Hrithik).

 

[MNK99]

--Bing AI, why did the Dutch grow so tall in recent years, was meat involved?

diet and hereditary/nat seln.

--Meat, and milk and cheese and other stuff. heritability, lots of stuff showed up. I can't paste here all the time, it doesn't always work (errors or formatting).

--russians, icelandic ppl, super tall.. meat. ARAB, muslim conquerors -- meat.

--> spanish to mexico ? meat.

--> the native canadians/ aboriginals that are 6'2 and perfect hair? meat.

--> cereal, etc didn't exist till recently.

THEY just made veg oil illegal. Russia's lower life expectancy isn't from meat, that doesn't even make sense. It is from dangerous jobs, smoking, self destruction, alcoholism, and STRESS. acc to research.
HELEN says that is just a sterotype.

INDIANS not eating meat is a stereotype. I literally wear XL shirts and L shirts and have thick wrists bones calfs etc... from in part (not only that) meat.

ZERO asthma 99% of 5-6 yrs after fasting and tei. 95 percent reduced in mid late 20's. 90 percent reduced since 20-21. I got fitter every decade. and ate more restrictive/experimented.

as a kid? horrendous asthma, overweight, exzcema etc. I consider standard diets to be child abuse.

those improvements were coincidental not gotten from any guru.

Hard to verify but it could be discussed, with essays if I wanted. Cultural trauma = Russia, Ukraine have lower life expectancy. So many men lost in WW2. AND after effects of USSR (It wasn't all good. Most young russians like putin for sure, but speaking with communists/socialists in the west they gloss over massive death tolls and the culture of fear and oppression).

I am quite sure birth rates will continue to decline and death rates will go up in America, Canada, Japan, South Korea. From culturally carrying various stresses. Pandemic and after effects for sure.

India? years of theft and colonization by the British Empire. It is estimated 25-50 trillion USD was stolen. They literally made workers eat and get paid in grains and stop eating meat.
Same with slaves in America, of African and other descent. It was only 1-2 percent of people holding slaves, but still.

Fasting is anti aging, not all health is encapsulated by looks. Literally tons of docs recommend their patients to fast and it has saved tons of lives, diabetes, heart disease etc. Even bodybuilders fast to get lean (not a shitty diet, and supposedly good genes a lot of them). I literally owned 99% of the gym, doing like 81 dips, right after doing 99 chinups, and then 8-10 other exercises including leg press (not a high weight but) say 450-500lbs 45-55x straight.. with fasting. NO way in hell I could do that eating like normal people (not sure anyone who works out like that eats "normal").

Fasted training gives people superior results and eating in a timed window post workout. Not just ppl with health issues. I seemed healthier than ev1 around me (good looking young downtown people) in 2020 2021 2022 2019. Fasting if nothing else, gives you superior discipline. There are hundreds of millions or at least tens of millions of people and thousands of studies that disagree with your claims, with biology to show it. It is being used in neurobiological models for animals, for many modalities of health, including longevity. I was kinda joking about Bryan Johnson but you can look up his relative aging to others in that competition.

Fasting kept me and countless people built lean 18-29. Diet got better every year,.. I could work and study 2-3 days straight and gain muscle and lose fat with it... And I only used PEDS like several months of that. I had loose skin surgery, less than half a pound removed. I lost that weight at 16-18. Fasting tightened it up, it stimulates GH, is the enemy of insulin resistance (i.e. makes you insulin sensitive), and kept me youthful, and making better diet choices. Trust me most ppl don't cut out gluten at 19-20, alcohol in their early 20's, I am beyond disciplined most of life. Only in severe depression or when I was really sick did it ever slip (and when I had some shitty influences at times at say 19-21, and effexor). Even with daily coke use 3-4 years almost, I looked younger and better than my friends and ppl my age.

It was diet and exercise and fasted training, avoiding shitty food.

That is why PFS was so troubling, destroys that hard work that is engrained in me. Losing ten lbs I will be more ripped than most 20-30 year olds again, it is from decades of fasting and some genes (I have good and some bad, I changed my outcomes tho, through repeated actions and behaviors and it became me). This isn't me bragging, I am saying that I am proud of what I've overcome and achieved but to say fasting only helps people with bad diets is insane. A lot of people get good diets because of fasting and changing their relationship with food. People can use it to quit substances too.

IF someone looks old or is bad looking, it is because of their behaviors, genetics, and random chance, and environment etc.. It isn't cuz of fasting or carnivore or whatever.

Anyone intune with themselves can tell in a day or 2, at most like 5-7 days if something is making them unhealthy, unless it is something like a medication syndrome.

I can tolerate pizza gluten and cheese and eat it once in a while and with a lot of hard work still be ripped. Nearly 5x less hardwork and avoiding it, I can stay ripped 2 or 3 years after working out.
I really doubt that could be true without fasting. it isn't like me not to workout a lot but things happened in lockdown and pandemic and I have injuries too. In mid and late 20s sometimes I only worked out 4mo cuz of university (I was doing grad classes and undergrad to catch up), and I commuted. And yeah I kept muscle all year but looked better when i lifted those 4 mo.

Not changing diet and routines and approach to LBM acquisition, and maintainance and fat loss, this would never happen. Fasting/ intermittent fasting solves 80 percent of that fo me.

Untrained, barely any calories I just did 45 pushups straight. I used to do 200 at times. But I could get there again. Well I mean in sets. like 200-400. Max in a set after randro/4andro and HUGE was 66 or something. Max leaner was like 70-80+. Chinups 25 straight... max training?? way more. WITH multiple meals?? I wouldn't have worked on this shyt for 16 yrs lol. People are a bit different for sure, I know me. And others should know themselves. IF some health ppl online help others make a difference in their life, then who cares?

Clearly there's demands unmet by the medical community, social circles, and communities people have if they are looking to others. And there's nothing wrong with that. I argued against dogmatism since my early days on Hackstasis. Everyone has to start somewhere. If someone needs a diet model and they follow vegan or carnivore (the right way), their health could very well (and often does improve). Fine tuning and finding out something that they can stick to and modifying as needed, is up to them.

All those docs I listed seem to be helping people judging from hundreds of comments. If you want to scam the health system there are far better ways. Removing your patient base and putting yourself out of a job is rarely financially lucrative. It is for Saladino but he doesn't need medicine anymore and he probably practiced for like one week. I can see him bouncing off walls and looking greyer eating tons of carbs. Losing his intense exercise, he's gaining fat and looking less defined for sure. Then people will say he looks older, when really 6months of being healthy and intuned with what works best for him, he will look great again. Sugar literally has drug like effects, similar to cocaine. This isn't me being brainwashed, this is me being a former science user, sugar addict as a kid, and former cocaine user. I can actually understand the vast majority of studies out there, I don't think most people here can. And still I am not perfect, because I doubt and don't understand all the mineral stuff. No one does.

Talking to docs or scientists about it... maybe 10-100 ppl in a city ever do shit like that. Maybe more, but you'd have to really find them in some other health circle like yoga or a natural healt food/community store. Bacteria, fungi, pathogens made me addicted to sugar and gluten (literally reaching for straight brown sugar) and drinking to die, in crash state of PFS at home. I was like that except ordering food, and barely able to stand upright and think or watch anything in crash in my apartment. Brain and body were hijacked pre fasting. IN normal health, or even now?? I could eat 10-15 cookies, gain a few lbs for a couple days and be sad but I won't continue being extremely brain damaged. To be optimal, people require sacrifice. You don't see what others go through. You're probably better than your friend with great genes and that can eat like whatever and pack on muscle, in other ways. And who the fuck knows, people are getting sick all the time now.


If you control diet and exercise... you reduce the chances enormously. However one must be vigilant of other things like meds. Long term fasting makes me and many more prone to efficient metabolism, better regulated moods, more stable mentally, and can kill fat cells (apoptosis) and shrink them (I am sure it can, and I have read studies indicating that). I did it before there were studies.


Mark my words tons of healthy and should be healthy people will be getting sick for the durations of our lives. Some of the ills of late stage capitalism and big tech.
Bill gates owns most the farmland, Blackrock will own most of the rentals in the west and land... they really don't give a fuck about our or anyone's health.

If it saves the gov't pensions, they'd be glad people work 50-60 years, retire barely a year and die. The world is a cruel place.

All my Punjabi friends on the uni basketball team, wrestling team, etc, into sports a lot... didn't eat like their parents and if they did a bit they had hella milk and meat. I only got that strong in mid and late 20s tho I was getting there at 18... but effexor derailed that till 21-22. INDIA has 25 percent diabetes rate and it isn't all genes (there's near none in my family for young ppl none at least). America 9 percent.

PURE vegetarian seems pretty bad with some people's genetics. HADZA tribe and MASAI?? one of em is all 6'4, look young, and meat only.

BRAIN expansion?? MEAT.
Brain regression after advent of agriculture? grains.

WHY did US pay and give slaves grains, and similar to plantation workers in India, by the British Empire?? It is slave food.
I was joking about religion and stuff earlier, but literally genocides have happened when ruining the soil's ability to make grains. Cannibalism too.

ACCORDING TO NEUROSURGEONS, and UROLOGISTS (who only deal with diabetes these days), endocrinologists, Sugar is indeed a drug. Same with people that study biological function.

I am talking about dietary sugar, not the 4g total you need in blood to live. It literally is a drug, ever have an iced coffee with tons of sugar. Saying that as someone who did countless times. I don't just say random shit, and I'm quite intelligent. What drug caused the most deaths worldwide?? Sugar.


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Lastly, EVEN in the gay community it is well known TOPS ate beef and steaks. BOTTOMS ate varied diets and lots of bread and cereal.


KIDS should eat beef rite after breastfeeding. Beef and eggs. Once a day. Post strength training. Ideally.

During the height of the AIDS epidemic in the 1980's, "Bread Boys", as they would colloquially be known as "would take one for the team", and clean up in orgies, so that AIDS wouldn't be given to the
POWER TOPS, during the yearly "FEAST OF THE ASSES".

 

[RebelWithACause]

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Dude looked like garbage on pure carnivore diet. Died at 76. LOOKS are also health. I just don't give a shit. There are people with shittier looks who are good people to be around. And there are people with good looks who are garbage human beings. That's what I mean. But healthy people often look decent with good skin. Even when they get older.

No hate to him. He was older. But even before he was that old he looked bad in my opinion.

Hadza tribe also had a lot of hairloss people, so the argument they are 100% healthy is not applicable. And they eat a shitload of honey (SUGAR), milk (lactose = SUGAR) and fresh blood (contains SUGAR). And some of those tribes died younger (not super old) from heart disease as well.

No way you go for the sugar = a drug argument. Carnivores must love you now lol. Sugar can be bad yes if you have candida and problems with sugar metabolism. Which most ppl seem to have.

Carnivore/"ancestral consistent eating" = BRAINWASH

I wish you good luck mate. I hope the carnivore diet works for you.

 

[MNK99]

I don't really know him at all. I am saying I think he was sick and had some kind of cancer when he died. His looks can't be totally attributed to diet, that's crazy, especially when he was sick.
It is hard to understand someone's health only by looks, but yeah it should be an indicator. I am sure most people obsessed with this stuff will look young regardless of diet (to an extent, it still has to be at least decent. like paleo, some carbs, 30% protein 50% carbs 30% fat or similar... or 20% carbs) but energy levels and metabolisms and stuff we can't see changes. Someone who looks bad, I mean unless it was a clear defined illness or a bunch of symptoms of chronic illness, I am not sure it will change their looks (minus fat loss, muscle gain but that is from exercise and detox which provide the stimulus to change).

I am not even saying I love the carnivore diet, I am saying that I brought up loads of facts. AND one individual isn't going to prove something right or wrong, I've seen people that look good after diets too.

Sure, with sugar/specific types of carbs I am healthy, but it is more due to overall metabolism than sugar itself. I am not saying it all bad. I am saying excess sugar and refined sugar can be bad. Obviously in lifitng and in sports, sugar has its merits.

I never did well on keto or stuck it out a long long time (maybe a few days, but mostly had some carbs). Different diets for different people, but within some kind of narrow range, except for extremes which are usually temporary. I don't buy that all plants are trying to kill us, that is obviously hyperbole. Some sugar is fine, but only sugar = an insane diet for most people.

Thanks for the good luck, there's a good chance I change my diet anyways and maybe it will be closer to what it was in 2018-2019 a lot of it, on TEI. Or maybe it will just be paleo and fasting and the TEI supps (excluding what they say don't eat and eating some more of what they say, do eat.), but relying on their supps. Like last time, I didn't do all their foods (it was 2 pages or more or maybe that was restrictions), but I incorporated some. I still ate takeout and had cooked spinach added every meal and pink sea salt, except for protein shakes/small meals like that.

I mean sugar has drug like properties obviously my healthy states 18-31+ I ate sugar at times if not daily, but it was like in rice, potatoes, in salads and stuff. It wasn't JUST pure sugar. I would rather drink a coke zero than a coke but keep that rare as it is. Pizza, gluten sugar is bad for me, some chocolate in a bar my digestion is still good with some minerals or before and after tei (with enzymes and HCl and fibre most likely). It doesn't mean I am gonna go on only a chocolate bar diet.

There are a lot of charletons out there, I am saying excess sugar makes many medical things worse. I agree I got to better health with the judicious use of carbs but I think timing meals around exercise and still being really strict was key. Others did well just with carnivore or just raw vegan (for a couple years at least). SO yeah we can adapt to different diets, also people move to different countries and have to eat differently, and sometimes it can work out well. I know and have seen myself do really well with different diets models and presumably in different chemistries.

I think carbs help happiness and stuff post workout and definitely refeeding with that and lots of fat and meat (but certain ratios that keep me satisfied and using most that to put glycogen in the muscle stores, for sure I looked better) and some carbs pre workout and spending all them and working out well. To be the strongest I ever was or stronger again, perhaps I need carbs and that affects looks and mood. Maybe I can achieve a similar physique with just carnivore maybe it's a temp measure I am not sure. It is hard to stick to and I do miss certain foods but 2 weeks probably less and 5 weeks probably way less and then this diet is sup to shine. I have my doubts that it will be a long term thing. Most likely it will not be, but I don't know yet. I am not saying ev1 has to do one thing only. LIke I said fasting was super helpful and still is and would be. I am sure mental health would be a lot better with a long fast but at the same time while I have toxicities etc surely, I don't have what I used to.

Also this should make fasting easier again. I know looks are also health, I literally looked like and felt like a multimillionaire because health was restored. Women asked me out, hot women in 2018 -2022, it was cuz of looks, and that was cuz of health. Without all the stuff I did, I really doubt it. That's why I was ultraconfident. I don't know that guy's health problems. And I care about looks a lot of course, however, not everyone does. That woman Kelly Hogan looks hella better with carnivore maybe not super young but not ugly. She is way happier and has more energy. Same with others I have seen. A balanced diet that changes over time is something I was intending on doing and did do all the time nearly, maybe these detox diets in a worse state, but personally better self care and more exercise and I get better again.

I just have some acne these days and my hair needs a haircut and I have less definition but shave, and soon lean up, and I'll look pretty good. I won't say it's carnivore, it's the years about caring about looks and behaviours and overall health stuff. I am just trying to be happy. If someone sells that they will look amazing and be different than what they are, using such a diet than sure that's often a lie. I have no doubt there are people that look way better with any sort of strict diet including carnivore, if it gets them to the gym and all. If someone is a potatoe, they will still be a potaote. YOu can put lipstick on a pig, but it will still be a pig.

I don't know everything, I just a kid. I just trying be happy and healthy. I am sure without carbs I wouldn't have been 192 ripped like I was 175ripped when younger. Carbs and fat and meat and (REALLY the exercise and some androgens) added hella muscle. More defined, way more defined at 192 and older too. If I could maintain perfect health and be as handsome just smoking or vaping and drinking water and eating one time a year and never needing to eat, I think I would. But I can't. Human mammal beings need to eat.

TBH I am thinking sexual health, fertility, muscle glycogen retention, LBM accrual, mood, autism, and all I think 3-4 symptoms of PFS maybe and the rest of stuff, including digestion being better again, I think TEI will help that a lot. I want to see if carnivore helps the mental a lot tho and maybe hormonal/enzyme stuff, it seems to for a lot of people. It helped older women exit menopause and become fertile again. And it helped young men triple their test (some of em), so I hope it can help me. But even if it does, I think TEI will be better.

Gotta test when doing something consistently and not during major changes (like rite after a water fast or just starting a water fast. for data sure you can test but for supplement recs no)..

OBVIOUSLY at the very least, we need sugar in milk as babies as do most (all I think) mammals. And we need some to stay alive, and yeah I felt my smartest with ADHD medicine and some liquid sugar in the am, but most cals at nite post strength workout. Some sugar or aminos and carbs (liquid) in the morning was nice. I felt pretty good with nothing tho too... and maybe less good relying on coffee and the like. Fasted felt pretty good too. I may cut coffee from carnivore eventually. I think I did better with certain carbs and liquid carbs than say what many eat (bread).

I did well with certain liquid carbs, rice, potatoes, and say spinach.. arugula. Most breads? Even when healthy it would mess my stomach up a bit, but I did try and have em for fiber as a teen but I got out of that. Maybe some bread post workout in a burger or with more rice and meat. Mostly, I felt rice and rice pasta was gluten free at least and doesn't hurt my stomach nearly as much and at times not at all. Bread in the mid of day or am would lead to discomfort even as a kid and I am sure contributed to asthma and allergies and eczema etc. All 95-98% and sometimes 100% down or gone with a cleaner diet (including no bread/ no gluten). Gluten is a protein tho and highly inflammatory. I'm more anti processed foods and anti gluten (For me at least and many don't know it is causing em probs) than I am anti glucose or glycogen. I am not anti sugar, for sure lifting more every workout or every set, I don't think I could have with no carbs, I mean maybe, but I never have. In fasting, I'd still eat at night after lifting.

Shuttling glycogen into muscle post workout and rebuilding is an amazing thing. I suppose this happens differently with keto and carnivore. We can adapt to various diets for sure, most of us. There are extremes tho. Feel a bit better but I think that it will be much better in several weeks, and at least I will be relatively fit again and then really fit 8-12 weeks after that I am hoping, bc of working out more.

Then hormones or tei... I do see some look great after yrs and yrs of hormones but yeah it does age many people.

 

[MNK99]

48, in this pic. she's pretty good.

 

[MNK99]

--that dude has bad genes and must have been smoking since he was a baby and also eating lead chips. finding the worst looking person doesn't mean it's his diet wtf lol

Dude looked like garbage on pure carnivore diet. Died at 76. LOOKS are also health. I just don't give a shit. There are people with shittier looks who are good people to be around. And there are people with good looks who are garbage human beings. That's what I mean. But healthy people often look decent with good skin. Even when they get older.

---true but that is mostly just avoiding major toxicity and exercising and eating ok if someone looks good and they eat better than 70% of ppl they will still look good. if someone looks insanely good and they eat cat food, they will still look good till they get some fucked up illness.
--we actually agree more than you may realize. i know i seemed argumentative but dude if i find the worst looking person that does fasting or intermittent fasting, that's kinda crazy rite.

--if someone takes a picture of the fattest man in the world and he is at the gym, eating bacon naked. that doesn't mean all gym goers are fat sexual deviants, does it? No.

This was my diet but continuing DEX (cuz i like it and it helps me) and Mg, B, enzymes until they ran out. sometimes in pandemic.
Many of my posts here were for fun/ and had jokes in em. Obviously.

beef
some veg carbs
weed edibles
amphetamine
some minerals
nicotine
yogurt
blueberries i guess.
chocolate pudding.

I looked better than then now but it was YRS of health habits and i was happier and got haircuts more frequently. Shaved ev day too and was up lifting and walking and doing pushups and crunches way before sunrise. TEI seems way better than carnivore but for sure I gotta give it time. AND I think various diets except diets straight up contrary to what they recommend will work.

I said yrs ago most people and we are obviously omnivores. I see there are other modalities. There are other modes of existence.

ALL that sugar killed those Hadza guys and balded them. LOTS of babies = bald? WHY?? MILK (SUGAR).

 

[MNK99]

All jokes and arguing aside for sure we shouldn't flat out demonize sugar, supplements, meds.
I am 100% certain any diet (unless I'm trying to poison myself with the worst diet possible, all junk food or something and veg oil), and any androgen, and my stim medicine I am sure health improves like 30-40% .. mood and digestion with certain (maybe many but not all) b vitamins, enzymes and hcl. gonna add that and mg. whether i take androgens or not, and whether i take dex or not (and i should). but carnivore or paleo alone, ya i mean those help me, so i will take em.

 

[RebelWithACause]

48, in this pic. she's pretty good.

Those MF-ers lied about being carnivore for like 10+ years lol... Frank Tufano made a video on them years ago.

 

[RebelWithACause]

There's so much deception and bullshittery going on. Because at the end of the day a lot of these people earn money with this... there's a lot of bullshit going on. I used to not believe that they were bullshitting me. But lots of them are. Lots of sociopaths in the health sphere. It's that or spergs. Both are annoying!

 

[MNK99]

Frank Tufano is severely mentally ill bro. So many facial surgeries and IDK what else, surgeries to widen his hips. He's insane. There's definitely deception going on and many have something to gain, financially but same with any business.

 

[MNK99]

What do you think of this?
Too easy probably but maybe it helps some people.
I don't know what it is yet, it has been on in the background for a few mins. Selling supplements. Hey if the data helps ppl then nice. Any strict diet is better than a lot of stuff out there, for a large percentage of the population. I ate like Helen suggested minus some sea food or whatever and ate like spinach, pink himalayan sea salt, and rice, and meat post workut... and i guess I will eat more like TEI if there's any doubt, when I am on it.

This stuff may help people in general direction towards health. Like if we were 16- or 18... pre any major problems. Maybe in childhood.

 

[Fazed22]

What do you think of this?
Too easy probably but maybe it helps some people.
I don't know what it is yet, it has been on in the background for a few mins. Selling supplements. Hey if the data helps ppl then nice. Any strict diet is better than a lot of stuff out there, for a large percentage of the population. I ate like Helen suggested minus some sea food or whatever and ate like spinach, pink himalayan sea salt, and rice, and meat post workut... and i guess I will eat more like TEI if there's any doubt, when I am on it.

This stuff may help people in general direction towards health. Like if we were 16- or 18... pre any major problems. Maybe in childhood.

Cocoa Powder I think how is he selling this as a health food, in other videos he is always bragging how his cocoa has low heavy metals but the lab analysis on his product says 4.968mcg cadmium per 11.3 grams which seems like a lot to me. Then 0.406mcg of lead per 11.3 grams of cocoa (1 scoop/serving is 6 grams) not sure how this lead amount compares to other foods but the cadmium amount seems like it's a lot.

 

[MNK99]

I used that stuff in shakes helped digestion and i used it cuz of Mg ... and helped coke and later dex side effects.
Yeah IDK what he is doing. Using his high i.q. and wealth to sell supplements seems like such a waste, but we will see. He is measuring shyt and sparking a movement at least.

I used cocoa and had great results (pretty sure 99% was diet and exercise and whey and lifting the rite way and avoiding crap like drinking and gluten), 12-14 yrs before ever hearing of him.

That sounds like it has a lot of toxins...

Same time, I think really healthy ppl this wouldn't matter. 2021 and 2022 I stayed up all day and ate a whole gluten free pizza or even non gluten free and was still ripped and better than vast majority of male competitors (I didn't see them as compn). That was rare but yeah bad food (just a litttle gluten and cheese /dairy maybe) over time can make me screw up other health habits and lead to depression... and then I am in trouble. It was the habits before tho like 20 years, all the time great habits. Once I go really down I guess I stop using ADHD medicine and get really depressed... and then stop working out (I do have neck injury tho). ANd they did close down for no reason.

Trust me covid's real but I mean scientists made it. I have family members that were harmed by it (doctors treating old ppl in UK). BUT most harm was from our retarded govts.
They literally are mass murderers them and pharma, and big food.

/random rant.