In early 2024, b12 was saving me after a really fucked up stay at a psyche ward that really messed me up with electric convulsive therapy.
Because of the b12 help. I went on to read Freddd’s posts on the phoenix rising forum 10 years of his stuff.
My conclusion was he needed hormone therapy with the b12. And he had been on it for years prior to b12/ methylation. Something he spoke about infrequently and I believe he misled a lot of people who just thought he was doing things through methylation.
I failed miserably with TRT then a low dose test suspension approach between early to mid 2024. Finally in late September 2024, I tried 11 keto dht+ 7 keto dhea+ dhea cycles. 3 days on 4 days off. For about a month I did this. It definitely helped.
Stupidly I was looking at things like selenium utilization. Maybe not stupidly. But I needed to see that something happened. My serum iron DOUBLED in a month. It was right on bottom of range and moved to mid range. And my co2 got perfect top half of range. My testosterone went from 190 to 350.
In midst of that I literally left all my methylation ideas behind. No b12 no biotin just used some b2 b5 zinc. No calcium or lithium. Bunch of mag baths that I didn’t need .
I literally found the perfect hormone approach. But left all the methylation ideas behind. And literally stopped the hormone approach by November.
I’m realizing putting that hormone approach + methylation together is allowing me to make co2 and raise serum iron.
My indigo machine is showing a ton of good happening. Like after my first dose of 11 keto dht my CoA went up immediately. But it’s also calling for chloride.
Gbold is right we need chloride when system turns on. Ocean water helped today.
And biggest thing. I followed Vit D religiously the last 2-3 months in oligoscan. Realizing it is key to iron availability. It barely budged with just dhea/ 7 keto dhea. When I added the 11 keto dht to these, D went way up.
I’m angry. Sad. Mad. Relieved. Hopeful. Anxious. Pissed off.
Like whyyyy. Why couldn’t I think.
I needed help. Nobody was helping me. People don’t know how to look at bloodwork. And are biased about their own health needs.
But I should’ve been on this a lot sooner.
My fluoride and boron were both dropping last fall. I just don’t get why I couldn’t put this together .
It was literally just 3mg of 11 keto dht yesterday. 25mg of dhea/ 25mg of 7 keto dhea.
Haven’t touched anything today besides nutrients. System still on hard. Dumping iron like crazy. 40 hours or so after the hormone dosing. I could literally see Hormoens just used like twice a week. Tiny dosages. Gbold “smart people use tiny doses of hormone if they need them.”
I went through a lot of bloodwork. Just paying attention to iron over the last 3 years mainly.
It just seems I was going anemic in 2022 as I got worse. I couldn’t make iron available but was making copper available with sea water b2 zinc. And the copper availability was using up whatever iron I had.
Until I went on dhea with b12 that November 2022 and I fixed ferritin and iron pretty quick. But methylation issues ensued. Cystine went high (needs b5/ ALA.) I fell apart. My life fell apart.
I have a lot ahead of me. But I think I finally have a methylation/hormone treatment together. Something that has taken me really 3 full years to figure out since fall 2022 when I desperately needed to figure out the low serum iron.
B6 now the highest I’ve seen it in months on Oligo. Definitely battling with electrolyte depletion. But system is still turned on dumping iron and copper about 45 hours since the dose.
Selenium droppping which I believe means progesterone is being made. There’s your co2.
I’m really not considering taking any hormones or even Bs today. Just electrolytes ocean water I believe good food we will see.
What’s interesting is oligoscan potassium going highest I’ve seen it which isn’t too high lol -21% negative 21 that is. Average being 0.
Mine is usually -24. But I feel potassium depleted.
Maybe I’m just putting the potassium in the cell and now body is screaming for it. The same way coffee lowers serum potassium according to Peat. As caffeine puts potassium in cell.
Basically I showed serum iron dropping in 2022. Late 2022 I got serum iron up and ferritin with dhea.
2023— ferritin dropped after donating blood and it never came back. But serum iron was pretty much fine all of 2023.
2024- electric convulsive therapy fucked me up bad all the oxygen. Serum iron dropped immediately that year. I said it “I need testosterone my brain needs iron” early that year.
The year went disastrous until a month of cycling 11kdht/dhea/7kdhea.
This is when serum iron nearly doubled. But ferritin never went up.
Thing is . I was dying in 2024, 2023 was not full on death. Until the electric convulsive therapy.
I think the oxygen treatments just killed iron. ECT was the worst. And I was in the fight for my life once that happened.
The Hormoens feel very weak today. I took about an hour ago.
The best thing I did today was eat beef. It helped a lot.
Hormones were all beyond weak yesterday. I didn’t react to anything much beyond biotin.
Then I talked to someone who has helped me in past a lot. Someone who works with Parkinson’s , neuro disease a lot.
If my target is truly the anemia he thought a supplemental testosterone approach like what I used in summer 2024 makes sense.
I fell apart late that summer and I’m seeing in the OATs that summer…. My biotin dropped and I’m sure got a lot worse two months later when things got bad.
Thing is. The test originally really helped me and helped a lot for awhile that summer.
I’m thinking biotin k2 were big needs maybe iodine.
I used 5mg of test suspension last night. It’s going fine. Maybe I used it 6-7 hours ago. Just woke up middle of the night and reality is I was feeling that bad yesterday. That anemic. I needed something like this in worst way.
Early summer 2024 this was happening. Nutrients I was on specifically inositol was making me extremely anemic. Dark field microscopy showed ugliest blood. One shot of testo suspension I did dark field after 3 days later and my blood looked perfect.
Starting to believe most important nutrient to go with test is biotin
Basically what happened is body stops making hydrogen when you feed biotin non stop. Specifically when you have low e2 issues.
Hence why fluoride kept going up.
I think testosterone + b12 is the treatment for fluoride. Freddds approach. But this really needs biotin badly. Lithium k2 minerals
I hope I’m right here.
The oats from 2024 shows me fixing akg for the only time in the last few years with low dose testosterone suspension 2-3x a week. Just like 15mg of supplemental test weekly but I kept lowering dose and then had to stop as I kept getting worse.
Sulfur phos iron chromium all best they’ve been in awhile in Oligo this morning.
It seemed like taking chromium calcium zinc was turning system on yesterday. The day after the hormones.
Today it felt like hormones were wearing off so I went with both test and 4 andro . 4 hours apart.
Test felt pretty weak: 4 andro a little stronger. Where as the other day. I started with 4 andro and it was weak. Then test was strong. It feels similar to the summer where I was looking at 1 andro next to 4 andro. But in reality I think going straight to T + 4 andro makes most sense.
If 4 andro + Bs /iodine can raise nadph by raising iron. Then there’s your T to E.
That said I crashed myself tonight with biotin. Need to lower the dose significantly. I’ve been on 10mg and I think it’s time to go down to 1mg.
Thinking about freddd and Shawn bean right now. Both basically folllow methylation based protocol but need to be on TRT for it. I do wonder now if maybe test cypionate could work next to b12 biotin k2. Minerals.
But I really wanna try the suspension approach first
I can’t handle 4 andro cuz it just destroys zinc in my fucking brain.
And the hair test in June shows that.
Testo has been fine. No issues. The hair test on low dose testo did not hurt my zinc in brain in fall 2024.
4 andro is basically force feeding a brain iron in this situation. It’s not what we want.
Iron can’t be retained as copper zinc just got blown out.
I think testo biotin k2 iodine are kind of the staple to get the body absorbing calcium and zinc essentially. And this metabolism should make copper available is what I’m thinking.
I crashed like silly this morning and needed iodine. It helped a lot. Testo was fine. 4 andro made me lose my mind a bit.
I think it might have to do that without cysteine we can’t use manganese in tissues to use fe2 to raise histidine .
Which is kinda why ALA has to happen. And in men, I feel testo may be the true key to ALa production.
Going through my plasma amino acids. My best test by far since late 2022 was on low dose testo in mid 2024. And I wasn’t taking any b vitamins besides b2, b5 inositol really.
It was when I added ALA and lower dose dhea last year. Testo became too strong. I started losing it. I needed biotin with them smh. B12 too.
I seem to be tolerating the 5mg of testosterone suspension now daily. 4 andro was killing me it’s very clear now. The next step would be dhea. 4 andro is just too strong.
With good e2 metabolism , testo is zinc finger. Zinc finger is histidine cysteine.
Biggest piece to histidine is fe2 (via testo). Biggest piece to cysteine is ALA which is via e2. E2 raises copper. Nad (biotin) controls that. But need sulfur/ iron with nad to truly control copper.
E1 is estrone. E1 is what matters most as chromium in pancreas = fe2 availability from pancreas. We need e1 with e2 or cu will accumulate and burn iron.
Is this why some want to take dhea with testo?
I kind of think so. Or 4 andro. But that’s not what we are doing here.
I need copper. The oats said it. I think I have bad sod dysfunction. So estrogen can’t sink.
The prohormone approach was all about estrone and T.
While I would say the priority of hormones goes e1 e2 then T in that order. And with these Hormoens in order next to nutrients the goal is to make progesterone from cholesterol.
This isn’t easy or fun and I’m developing electrolyte issues.
I lost a lot of time too. Can't see myself ever living a normal life sadly. But I accepted it and do the best I can. Hope you guys get to a liveable/normal place to at least go through life without health issues
@RebelWithACause the thing is I don't think I want to live normal life even if I fix my health.. I simply don't want to live for dealing with stupid stuff. Just think about it. Outside of raising kids or working to get food and shelter everything is just cope, chasing dopamine, pleasure, that adrenaline rush or whatever.. I really start to get this whole idea that everything what you need is within.
So I think living "normal life" is the last thing I want to do.. I can't even relate to "normal" people anymore and I am afraid that if I fixed all my health issues I become that stupid monkey that is just chasing that dopamine, pleasure as well.. Like do I really want high libido? SO I start to do all those stupid things that most guys do to get girls? I don't know man.. Having no libido seems to me like superpower. Unless you really have someone in your life that you love, want family with that person etc.. Otherwise I am simply not interested in that stuff anymore.
I lost a lot of time too. Can't see myself ever living a normal life sadly. But I accepted it and do the best I can. Hope you guys get to a liveable/normal place to at least go through life without health issues
Thanks dude. I hope the best you can is a solid life. I think back of my solid times. I was able to enjoy this planet. It sucked not being an athlete, able to party. But I was able to enjoy my dog. Gf/ women/ sexuality. Could work and eat / enjoy food, music. I could hang out with people but didn’t love it going out and stuff. That’s fineee to me. Social life comes last let’s be real.
The way I am now. It’s very scary how neurologically deranged I am. Other than my dog and sports gambling I enjoy literally nothing.
