MNK's Log. PSSD Recov 12-18mo 10', PFS recov 11m-16mo 18’. hEDS/AuDHD/Markets.
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Keep it up MNK.
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1. Re: My time with PSSD had many other comorbid issues:
Thanks man! @RebelWithACause you too!
@Taita I was practically a kid then... and was very confused and most likely ADHD and manic/depressive at times (mostly the latter was drug, alcohol, situation caused... severely manic is not my norm. Hypomanic at times sure, but not that bad). I'm saying the details are very hard to remember. Also, I was in a lot of trouuble outside of the those three things (pssd, adhd, mania) with addiction and some dangerous events going on around me that I won't really mention. Sketchy on the details. I did mention it here --- maybe not in a very sensible way. It was major lifestyle changes. Leaving all my friends, family mostly. Moving to the other side of the world. Then moving again. Quit smoking and eventually drinking(took a few years). Getting back to running. Getting back to lifting. I used milk thistle bc I could not lose weight after Effexor - I thought I had liver damage. I was too wreckless of a kid to check into such things and really I was trying to finish university (transferred).
I accidentally transferred to the worst university I could find (Fuck you York University) and then I became much more concerned about that, because they were quite useless - the administration screwed over tens of thousands of students, and threatened to go on strike every year.
I was paranoid for years because of my past. There was no well-thought out plan. I was pretty much incapable of doing such a thing during that point of my life. So I can't give PSSD sufferers a clear-cut answer unfortunately. I've been through so many things I can't remember it all. What was going on that precipitated me leaving the country was way worse than my PSSD sexual side effects (although the cognitive side effects 100% played a role... I became someone else on Effexor compared to my norm, and have never really been that person for long outside of Effexor). It was a scary situation.
Someone without all the issues I had/have should fare better I think, with the info on hackstasis. I can help where I can --- but I was basically on the run for a bit so it was chaotic. I thought some of that chaos was normal, it definitely was not.
-If I was to rank it: PSSD for me was far below most things illustrated above and alluded to. I described them vaguely before.
1.b I'm not like everyone else and can't really explain how I beat PSSD:
Also, I think for someone like me with severe ADHD (disorganization, planning problems, working memory problems, etc) prescription stimulants would have helped turn around that entire mess of a situation (way beyond PSSD) around quicker. I say this because I used them later. And earlier, I used illegal stimulants (did not mess me up too badly, obviously is not a "good" thing). I'm pretty sure the latter helped me get my life on track -- but that is functional drug use, and obviously I do not recommend that. When I was prescribed stimulants, I had already been avoiding psychiatrists and doctors in general for several years. And I had recovered from PSSD maybe only had some sexual issues, but I was hypersexual in and around that time too, so I was like 95% cured and fully soon after. I wish I had them before I ever took Effexor XR.
As I got fitter sexual drive and libido got better and better. Fitness got derailed though with school, lack of organization, and later PFS. When I am on that fitness trip though, I am obsessive about it, because I know one small mistake can ruin everything (in life). Even a multimillionaire professional is one small error away from losing it all.
2. PSSD and PFS similarities and differences:
@Taita - do they feel similar?
In many ways yes. They both felt like life-destroying events. Probably among the 4 worst things that ever happened to me (because they were chronic and derailed my plans, made me have to move, and I was doing really well for me a bit before PFS).
-neurologically/mentally they may be similar, my mind felt similar at the peak of them.
-I handled PFS worse I think bc I was depressed a long long time -- moreso than I've ever been.
-I handled PSSD and the aftermath of Effexor pretty badly too in the beginning, but it led to a lot of self-discovery and grand realizations. Also led to some very bad habits -- but they were in the making before that, it definitely intensified. I think I'll always have to fight addictive urges, so I choose the least harmful ones -- and know when to stop, usually. I also had bad habits way before this, as a teen or kid - but less "bad".
-PSSD + (misc events) I was enraged and could have lost it... It's hard to rank things.
-I do have side effects that somewhat altered my appearance with PFS -- so in a sense it's worse.
-Being younger, with PSSD -- it was easier perhaps to fix.
-I have other issues though and my life will never be completely smooth... not that I'm quitting I'm just saying, I need things set up in a very particular way or lots of money to account for issues, and social-support (key friends).
-The whole effexor fiasco made it extremely hard to trust people. I was betrayed by friends, doctors, and later academia. I lost faith in humanity.
-A couple years later, I said "fuck it all", and became more selfish -- like everyone else I saw.
-One difference for me was after quitting effexor for a while I was "super high" (not in a good way, I mean dysphoric and manic, very destructive).
-After quitting fin I was stay-in-bed-all-day depressed. I'm usually told by others to go to bed -- so it was a very sharp contrast.
-It made me not accept shyt from anyone though, and more of a fighter.
Thanks man! @RebelWithACause you too!
@Taita I was practically a kid then... and was very confused and most likely ADHD and manic/depressive at times (mostly the latter was drug, alcohol, situation caused... severely manic is not my norm. Hypomanic at times sure, but not that bad). I'm saying the details are very hard to remember. Also, I was in a lot of trouuble outside of the those three things (pssd, adhd, mania) with addiction and some dangerous events going on around me that I won't really mention. Sketchy on the details. I did mention it here --- maybe not in a very sensible way. It was major lifestyle changes. Leaving all my friends, family mostly. Moving to the other side of the world. Then moving again. Quit smoking and eventually drinking(took a few years). Getting back to running. Getting back to lifting. I used milk thistle bc I could not lose weight after Effexor - I thought I had liver damage. I was too wreckless of a kid to check into such things and really I was trying to finish university (transferred).
I accidentally transferred to the worst university I could find (Fuck you York University) and then I became much more concerned about that, because they were quite useless - the administration screwed over tens of thousands of students, and threatened to go on strike every year.
I was paranoid for years because of my past. There was no well-thought out plan. I was pretty much incapable of doing such a thing during that point of my life. So I can't give PSSD sufferers a clear-cut answer unfortunately. I've been through so many things I can't remember it all. What was going on that precipitated me leaving the country was way worse than my PSSD sexual side effects (although the cognitive side effects 100% played a role... I became someone else on Effexor compared to my norm, and have never really been that person for long outside of Effexor). It was a scary situation.
Someone without all the issues I had/have should fare better I think, with the info on hackstasis. I can help where I can --- but I was basically on the run for a bit so it was chaotic. I thought some of that chaos was normal, it definitely was not.
-If I was to rank it: PSSD for me was far below most things illustrated above and alluded to. I described them vaguely before.
1.b I'm not like everyone else and can't really explain how I beat PSSD:
Also, I think for someone like me with severe ADHD (disorganization, planning problems, working memory problems, etc) prescription stimulants would have helped turn around that entire mess of a situation (way beyond PSSD) around quicker. I say this because I used them later. And earlier, I used illegal stimulants (did not mess me up too badly, obviously is not a "good" thing). I'm pretty sure the latter helped me get my life on track -- but that is functional drug use, and obviously I do not recommend that. When I was prescribed stimulants, I had already been avoiding psychiatrists and doctors in general for several years. And I had recovered from PSSD maybe only had some sexual issues, but I was hypersexual in and around that time too, so I was like 95% cured and fully soon after. I wish I had them before I ever took Effexor XR.
As I got fitter sexual drive and libido got better and better. Fitness got derailed though with school, lack of organization, and later PFS. When I am on that fitness trip though, I am obsessive about it, because I know one small mistake can ruin everything (in life). Even a multimillionaire professional is one small error away from losing it all.
2. PSSD and PFS similarities and differences:
@Taita - do they feel similar?
In many ways yes. They both felt like life-destroying events. Probably among the 4 worst things that ever happened to me (because they were chronic and derailed my plans, made me have to move, and I was doing really well for me a bit before PFS).
-neurologically/mentally they may be similar, my mind felt similar at the peak of them.
-I handled PFS worse I think bc I was depressed a long long time -- moreso than I've ever been.
-I handled PSSD and the aftermath of Effexor pretty badly too in the beginning, but it led to a lot of self-discovery and grand realizations. Also led to some very bad habits -- but they were in the making before that, it definitely intensified. I think I'll always have to fight addictive urges, so I choose the least harmful ones -- and know when to stop, usually. I also had bad habits way before this, as a teen or kid - but less "bad".
-PSSD + (misc events) I was enraged and could have lost it... It's hard to rank things.
-I do have side effects that somewhat altered my appearance with PFS -- so in a sense it's worse.
-Being younger, with PSSD -- it was easier perhaps to fix.
-I have other issues though and my life will never be completely smooth... not that I'm quitting I'm just saying, I need things set up in a very particular way or lots of money to account for issues, and social-support (key friends).
-The whole effexor fiasco made it extremely hard to trust people. I was betrayed by friends, doctors, and later academia. I lost faith in humanity.
-A couple years later, I said "fuck it all", and became more selfish -- like everyone else I saw.
-One difference for me was after quitting effexor for a while I was "super high" (not in a good way, I mean dysphoric and manic, very destructive).
-After quitting fin I was stay-in-bed-all-day depressed. I'm usually told by others to go to bed -- so it was a very sharp contrast.
-It made me not accept shyt from anyone though, and more of a fighter.
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Anyways, moving on:
If anyone wants to discuss PSSD -- please rely on the protocols here on Hackstasis or the PSSD forum, bc I am certain I would have if I was given the choice. Feel free to PM me. I'll try to help where I can. I just want to keep this log a bit organized. No disrespect to anyone, most of the derailing is me. My situation = complicated.
I understand they explain in such a way that it makes sense. Also, I'm pretty sure they remember things better than me.
Also Senior Gbolduev.
My baseline without PFS is scatterbrained or ultra-focused (often on the wrong things), this is why I need stimulants! "You're pretty much the poster boy for ADHD."
I saw my psychologist - first for GAD, she knew instantly i had severe adhd... talked alone.. helped me a lot, but yeah she was surprised i did not know (dumbass).
If anyone wants to discuss PSSD -- please rely on the protocols here on Hackstasis or the PSSD forum, bc I am certain I would have if I was given the choice. Feel free to PM me. I'll try to help where I can. I just want to keep this log a bit organized. No disrespect to anyone, most of the derailing is me. My situation = complicated.
I understand they explain in such a way that it makes sense. Also, I'm pretty sure they remember things better than me.
Also Senior Gbolduev. My baseline without PFS is scatterbrained or ultra-focused (often on the wrong things), this is why I need stimulants! "You're pretty much the poster boy for ADHD."
I saw my psychologist - first for GAD, she knew instantly i had severe adhd... talked alone.. helped me a lot, but yeah she was surprised i did not know (dumbass).
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@snowball. Yes to progesterone values, they are a couple pages back but were 0.07 nmol/L pre-ella. I don't think digestion improved. I did have a lot of beef this week and I think that or garlic, or something else messed up my digestion a bit. I don't think ella worsened it nor improved it just yet. Today is my first day off of it.
I did a ton of shyt this week. 2 sets of endocrine tests; 1 hair test; a ton of banking; a longer ella trial; purchased earphones; sent out for ru486; jogged more; and a bunch of other stuff. Not bad. Pretty good.
***THIS IS KEY***
I did a ton of shyt this week. 2 sets of endocrine tests; 1 hair test; a ton of banking; a longer ella trial; purchased earphones; sent out for ru486; jogged more; and a bunch of other stuff. Not bad. Pretty good.
***THIS IS KEY***
- So electrolytes, betaine HCL, and gelatin after meal tonight.
- ella 6 days 55mg done. Mar 4th 2018.
- electrolytes during "snapback" period. currently here. ---*stopped electrolytes Sun Mar 11, except from food.*
- ≥2 weeks after i.e. Mar 18th ru. --waiting.
- electrolytes during "snapback" period.
- ≥2 weeks after i.e. Apr 1st r-andro. --- I'll take 2x100mg as my estrogen is low and I'm super sensitive.
- electrolytes during "snapback" period.
- timing is all subject to change. April 14 next thing and serious d-a's.
- If things go very smoothly, I think I'll be on ru in 2 weeks (maybe more).
- And I will add something integral to my life, back in asap.
- this is tentative, but I'll see about it.
- As per 4pm, Mar 6th, maybe just the pre-meal-enzymes + electrolytes+spinach+protein+enzymes.
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Sun, Mar 4th, 2018: 7.10pm
-Since ella trial is done,
-I will take the rest of the electrolyte protocol. I need to buy KCl. I want that "snapback". I do not want the results to fade and then make me wonder if it was worth the money... regardless, I did feel better and will continue, by trying other things as well.
i.e. : Spinach + protein at every meal ( you need amino acids plus folate plus b12 from food.), and taking betaine HCL in water, and KCl + MgCl₂, gelatin. Courtesy of Gbolduev
I guess also NaCl (dietary). Using himalayan pink sea salt only.
-So I already have been using spinach and protein and himalayan pink sea salt at every meal for 2-3 weeks.
-I have all the above except KCl and my betaine HCL is not liquid. I ate dinner and will grind up some 2 betaine HCL and dissolve in water or take the pills... and just a bit of the magnesium chloride. Wait 20-30mins and then take gelatin in my iced coffee (left over from this morning).
-doses: just under 2 betaine HCL pills, and 40mg of MgCl₂. And also 2tbsp of collagen.
-this is subject to change. Extended Fasting, refeeding, ella pretty much done for now. I'll keep intermittent fasting/ calories will go up as will activity.
-Soon: ru, r-andro, and continuing electrolyte protocol but that may change. I'm just doing this all as quickly as I can so I can keep my improvements and attain more.
-If it's safe to do so and doesn't mess up digestion or cause major water retention or something worse, I will continue them with the other parts of my plan. It may need to be implemented fully after the other stuff though, as I'm not likely to wait too long to start ru nor r-andro. Time is money. If I must wait in between some of them a bit longer.. then fine I will, I highly doubt I'll go back to as bad as I was last January or last Summer when I quit or even a couple months ago.
-I won't tempt fate though either.
-Since ella trial is done,
-I will take the rest of the electrolyte protocol. I need to buy KCl. I want that "snapback". I do not want the results to fade and then make me wonder if it was worth the money... regardless, I did feel better and will continue, by trying other things as well.
i.e. : Spinach + protein at every meal ( you need amino acids plus folate plus b12 from food.), and taking betaine HCL in water, and KCl + MgCl₂, gelatin. Courtesy of Gbolduev
I guess also NaCl (dietary). Using himalayan pink sea salt only.
-So I already have been using spinach and protein and himalayan pink sea salt at every meal for 2-3 weeks.
-I have all the above except KCl and my betaine HCL is not liquid. I ate dinner and will grind up some 2 betaine HCL and dissolve in water or take the pills... and just a bit of the magnesium chloride. Wait 20-30mins and then take gelatin in my iced coffee (left over from this morning).
-doses: just under 2 betaine HCL pills, and 40mg of MgCl₂. And also 2tbsp of collagen.
-this is subject to change. Extended Fasting, refeeding, ella pretty much done for now. I'll keep intermittent fasting/ calories will go up as will activity.
-Soon: ru, r-andro, and continuing electrolyte protocol but that may change. I'm just doing this all as quickly as I can so I can keep my improvements and attain more.
-If it's safe to do so and doesn't mess up digestion or cause major water retention or something worse, I will continue them with the other parts of my plan. It may need to be implemented fully after the other stuff though, as I'm not likely to wait too long to start ru nor r-andro. Time is money. If I must wait in between some of them a bit longer.. then fine I will, I highly doubt I'll go back to as bad as I was last January or last Summer when I quit or even a couple months ago.
-I won't tempt fate though either.
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12pm Mar 6th 2018:
Definitely waiting on that "integral piece" -- I need that. Need my day-to-day structure again! Even running at 200% is not enough for me, and still scattered...
So need it soon. Argh!!!!! At my 150-200% it looks higher to others, but It's only like 80% for me, because I need more of everything (money, time, space, educational and technological capital). Right now I'm nowhere near all that. Also, I'm in the suburbs right now and I much prefer the cold urban jungle. I need to be alone so I can roam free!!
I was like a healthy tiger end of 2016... but messed up a bit(in the mind). It was "good" messed up mostly-- anytime I try and fix it -- I end up with a major illness. So fuck you pharma and the practice of medicine. Then a dying tiger in beginning-spring 2017. Now just a wounded tiger. But I'll get back to stalking my prey.
Definitely waiting on that "integral piece" -- I need that. Need my day-to-day structure again! Even running at 200% is not enough for me, and still scattered...
So need it soon. Argh!!!!! At my 150-200% it looks higher to others, but It's only like 80% for me, because I need more of everything (money, time, space, educational and technological capital). Right now I'm nowhere near all that. Also, I'm in the suburbs right now and I much prefer the cold urban jungle. I need to be alone so I can roam free!!
I was like a healthy tiger end of 2016... but messed up a bit(in the mind). It was "good" messed up mostly-- anytime I try and fix it -- I end up with a major illness. So fuck you pharma and the practice of medicine. Then a dying tiger in beginning-spring 2017. Now just a wounded tiger. But I'll get back to stalking my prey.
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Mar. 5th 2018:
I may not bother with the electrolytes I'm not sure. It's been ~30 days since my fast ended.
I.e. I refed like almost 30 days.
I tried some electrolytes, not all of it and I get distended belly, way worsened digestion, and I'm like 187lb now whereas I was 180lb like a couple days ago. Digestion will be bad for several days as it usually is. I will wait on recs from hair test, but I'm not sure about them. I may just go jump to r-andro and then wait the time and wait for ru. OR take nothing for the next 2 weeks in terms of intake of supplements, medicine, etc. I will add KCl but I'd be surprised if that resolved all stomach problems. I can't tell if it's magnesium, betaine, or gelatin... I think all of them don't help my stomach.
I know my stomach was very bad in the same way for like 15 days plus of my fast and also it got way better after refeeding, until I added in things. I still am improved from the fast in other ways including mentally and weight wise and all that. But, this is not fun. I think HCL doesn't help my digestion, maybe it's mag... maybe just some gelatin is okay. I really can't tell -- maybe all three mess me up. I used to use other forms of magnesium fine mostly... helped me with a medication I was on and with digestion. I may have been "unbalanced" or whatever then but I was also successful, healthy, outgoing, confident, could attract women so who really cares? I'll do whatever I need to - natural or otherwise. ANyways, I'll wait and see... waiting to "snapback".
I know I literally just wrote the opposite... that I'll stick it through, it's hard to commit to something that messes up digestion. Idk.
I'll try using smaller doses and just a couple bits of the electrolyte protocol.
11:00pm Mar 5th 2018:
Definite sexual benefits. Harder. Ella or electrolytes...? Both and time? I think at least ella and time or at least electrolytes and time. Possibly both.
3.12pm Mar 6th 2018:
Maybe I'll just use the enzymes + electrolytes + spinach + protein for now... As betaine HCL and or gelatin are messing up my digestion. Just feeling light and quick on my feet has benefits too. Thanks @health.
"yes - enzymes + electrolytes;
if any betaine gets involved, then you need to counteract it with sufficient amount of potassium."
-had some turkey, spinach, snap peas, tomato, butter, olive oil, garlic. Made like 1000-1200 cals or more, ate barely any. Also a potato.
-had enzymes 2 pills and 50mg magnesium after. 4.44pm
-Just got my replacement earphones -- so I can drown out everyone. I might buy a second one bc the price is right -- or a more hi-end one -- but trying to save money rite now.
-I think for normal people they last years... I kind of break/destroy everything.
Shure SE215 Single Driver In-ear Monitors.
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diet- turkey, snap peas, spinach, garlic, pink sea salt, tmto, olive oil, butter, some chicken legs, spinach, tiny bit of rice. 1400cals/80gp, 50gfat, 35gcarbs.
supps-magnesium 50mg x 2 and 4pills of digestive enzymes. Iced coffee morning and nite.
-started adding lemon to foods, and also I am supposed to get MCT oil. Eating more uncooked spinach and arugula.
I may not bother with the electrolytes I'm not sure. It's been ~30 days since my fast ended.
I.e. I refed like almost 30 days.
I tried some electrolytes, not all of it and I get distended belly, way worsened digestion, and I'm like 187lb now whereas I was 180lb like a couple days ago. Digestion will be bad for several days as it usually is. I will wait on recs from hair test, but I'm not sure about them. I may just go jump to r-andro and then wait the time and wait for ru. OR take nothing for the next 2 weeks in terms of intake of supplements, medicine, etc. I will add KCl but I'd be surprised if that resolved all stomach problems. I can't tell if it's magnesium, betaine, or gelatin... I think all of them don't help my stomach.
I know my stomach was very bad in the same way for like 15 days plus of my fast and also it got way better after refeeding, until I added in things. I still am improved from the fast in other ways including mentally and weight wise and all that. But, this is not fun. I think HCL doesn't help my digestion, maybe it's mag... maybe just some gelatin is okay. I really can't tell -- maybe all three mess me up. I used to use other forms of magnesium fine mostly... helped me with a medication I was on and with digestion. I may have been "unbalanced" or whatever then but I was also successful, healthy, outgoing, confident, could attract women so who really cares? I'll do whatever I need to - natural or otherwise. ANyways, I'll wait and see... waiting to "snapback".
I know I literally just wrote the opposite... that I'll stick it through, it's hard to commit to something that messes up digestion. Idk.
I'll try using smaller doses and just a couple bits of the electrolyte protocol.
11:00pm Mar 5th 2018:
Definite sexual benefits. Harder. Ella or electrolytes...? Both and time? I think at least ella and time or at least electrolytes and time. Possibly both.
3.12pm Mar 6th 2018:
Maybe I'll just use the enzymes + electrolytes + spinach + protein for now... As betaine HCL and or gelatin are messing up my digestion. Just feeling light and quick on my feet has benefits too. Thanks @health.
"yes - enzymes + electrolytes;
if any betaine gets involved, then you need to counteract it with sufficient amount of potassium."
-had some turkey, spinach, snap peas, tomato, butter, olive oil, garlic. Made like 1000-1200 cals or more, ate barely any. Also a potato.
-had enzymes 2 pills and 50mg magnesium after. 4.44pm
-Just got my replacement earphones -- so I can drown out everyone. I might buy a second one bc the price is right -- or a more hi-end one -- but trying to save money rite now.
-I think for normal people they last years... I kind of break/destroy everything.
Shure SE215 Single Driver In-ear Monitors.
-10.18pm
diet- turkey, snap peas, spinach, garlic, pink sea salt, tmto, olive oil, butter, some chicken legs, spinach, tiny bit of rice. 1400cals/80gp, 50gfat, 35gcarbs.
supps-magnesium 50mg x 2 and 4pills of digestive enzymes. Iced coffee morning and nite.
-started adding lemon to foods, and also I am supposed to get MCT oil. Eating more uncooked spinach and arugula.
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THIS IS NOT AN UPDATE: Just notes:
-breathing problems and weak at gym 7.40 to 8.20pm or so. Fucking asthma. And this city is frozen.
-I was never super jacked nor super cut, but I looked fit and was at least fast and had endurance. And could go from 0-crazy in a sec.
-Turkey, rice, food etc.
-I might go back to ADF* --> I DID. THE NUMBERS OF MACROS MATTER EVEN LESS THEN. SO IN GREAT HEALTH --JACKED AND CUT fairly. PERFECT health-->perfect.
-magnesium, collagen, spinach, food etc. -editing later. diet early to end of March. Diet March 7-9 pretty good 1400-1800 max, adayfasting to not get fat/go slow.
-Supps:
-exercise -- not really logging until I am back into it. Taking a lot of effort to remember what I used to do for rehab/physio/and weights. Also asthma bad rn.
-Just upperbody mostly.
-DIsregard things that upset digestion. So I can be light on my feet --- that makes working out, day to day easier.
-No betaine HCL and no gelatin for me --- only diet (spinach + protein) and the 3 chloride salts. Possibly wobenzyme or none of that yet either --final word for now.
-Don't take anything that messes up digeston. -Focus on Copper and possibly Aluminum for neuro/psych issues.
-FEEL BETTER AFTER WORKING OUT - THE NEXT MORNING. Not bad. -Feels like I will get stronger.
-***I'll have direction again in life. SOON.*** I DID 2012-2016... and before that. And I didn't in 2017 but I will again, and already do but it will become stronger again.
-You can literally see my organization and structure disintegrate from recent posts to now. ---> DEX and also HYPERACTIVE, sometimes hypomania. So sue me.
I'm getting better, stronger, faster, leaner.
-breathing problems and weak at gym 7.40 to 8.20pm or so. Fucking asthma. And this city is frozen.
-I was never super jacked nor super cut, but I looked fit and was at least fast and had endurance. And could go from 0-crazy in a sec.
-Turkey, rice, food etc.
-I might go back to ADF* --> I DID. THE NUMBERS OF MACROS MATTER EVEN LESS THEN. SO IN GREAT HEALTH --JACKED AND CUT fairly. PERFECT health-->perfect.
-magnesium, collagen, spinach, food etc. -editing later. diet early to end of March. Diet March 7-9 pretty good 1400-1800 max, adayfasting to not get fat/go slow.
-Supps:
-exercise -- not really logging until I am back into it. Taking a lot of effort to remember what I used to do for rehab/physio/and weights. Also asthma bad rn.
-Just upperbody mostly.
-DIsregard things that upset digestion. So I can be light on my feet --- that makes working out, day to day easier.
-No betaine HCL and no gelatin for me --- only diet (spinach + protein) and the 3 chloride salts. Possibly wobenzyme or none of that yet either --final word for now.
-Don't take anything that messes up digeston. -Focus on Copper and possibly Aluminum for neuro/psych issues.
-FEEL BETTER AFTER WORKING OUT - THE NEXT MORNING. Not bad. -Feels like I will get stronger.
-***I'll have direction again in life. SOON.*** I DID 2012-2016... and before that. And I didn't in 2017 but I will again, and already do but it will become stronger again.
-You can literally see my organization and structure disintegrate from recent posts to now. ---> DEX and also HYPERACTIVE, sometimes hypomania. So sue me.
I'm getting better, stronger, faster, leaner.
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Minor Update: Fri, March 9th, 2018:
Around this time last year I stopped going outside because of this drug. I didn't know what was happening to me. I had law school, sales jobs, etc in my grasp.
One phone call, an interview, and a discussion - I literally had good jobs lined up weeks before taking finasteride.
-I had lived downtown and commuted to the styx to study. I was finally able to live and work downtown (which is amazing for ADHD).
-Now I'm where I hate again, hometown only for a bit. But life and I are usually fast... days drone on here. I hate it here bc of my past and family brushes off my issues,
even though they have zero idea (not talking only about pfs, I've been thru that and 100x more).
Anyways, I'll work on that again - but I'm temporarily in Western Canada, and the jobs that matter for me are in the East. As are my connections.
-Testing:
-I asked the hair testing consultant about Copper being related to ADHD+BPII.
-She replied: "It could be copper, or even aluminum. We won't know for sure until I get the test results, I'll definitely forward you the scanned copies right away so you get them ASAP."
-I went and picked up endocrine tests:
-Results:
-1. Urine, 24H 16.72 mmol/day Ref Range: 8.80-22.10 mmol/day
-2. Cortisol, 24H Urine 159.5 nmol/day Ref Range: 100-380 nmol/day -high/low? Crushed by fasting and or Ellaone? Mid-range?
-3. Cortisol AM 321 nmol/L Ref Range: 170-500 nmol/L
-4. Adrenocorticotropic Hormone (ACTH) 5.0 pmol/L Ref Range: 2.0-11.5 pmol/L
-5. Bioavailable Testosterone:
Albumin (final): 43g/L Ref Range: 33-48 g/L
SHBG : 35 nmol/L Ref Range: 10-55 nmol/L --Lower than last time, but that was just a blood test maybe this was too, I don't remember.
Test Final: 19.3 nmol/L Ref Range: 8.0-29.0 nmol/L
Bioavailable Testosterone (Final): 9.3 nmol/L Ref Range: (4.0 - 16.0) nmol/L
-So my test is low I guess. Fuck this all. I wasn't working out and was too messed up to, and fasted 20 days and was still refeeding when I got this all done last week.
-I guess it's not so bad. Estrogen is low and test is low-medium.
-Fitness: Ok, getting back into things. I have to relearn/ask my gym back home what kinds of things I was doing for physio/sports rehab.
-I may buy some weights for legs -- bc it's hard to do legs at my current gym (crowded in that section, and I did lunges, single leg lifts, etc).
-Diet: Fine. Will eat low calories and just veg + protein on rest days. And all that and higher cals and carbs more on workout days.
-Supps: Only electrolytes after a meal, and NaCl. I need KCl still.
Low test or not, I'd still fuck Shkreli and his pharma douche friends up.
-I can't tolerate the electrolyte protocol. Maybe magnesium chloride, sodium chloride, and potentially potassium chloride.
-but nothing else for now till I get ****ARL HMTA back****.
-zero yogurt, zero nuts, zero crackers, zero anything that upsets my stomach (seems to be a lot sometimes). No hot sauce.
-diet --
Friday March 9th 2018:
Tiny potatoes, spinach, vegan protein shake 200, and some iced coffee. Spinach, peas, chicken and turkey small portions. Tiny bit of yogurt, and 4 triscuits. Olive oil, garlic, ginger. 1100 cals or so 65gp, 60gcarbs, 40-50 g fat. Around that.
-I consider taking some histidine again, and part of a banana for potassium.
-I took NAC Histidine 2 capsules + 2 cysteine + 50mg (mag chloride earlier after dinner). And breuss juice some (mostly beet).
-To see if that helps digestion.
-March 10th:
Eating out, one meal. salad, no sauce, meat. No apps. Napalese food. Probably not healthy. I'll eat only meats and veg.
-One meal butter 4.30pm, olive oil (tiny bit), sea salt, spinach, snap peas, minced turkey and 0.7 chicken breast like 500 cals/35gp, 25gf, 10gcarbs or less.
-Dinner: One lamb and spinach curry dish. A bit of fish... Indian/Nepali food. 2 pieces of fish. 600cals/28gp. 80gc maybe, 50gfat... I estimate this as unhealthily as I can.
-SINCE DIGESTION IS BAD and EATING CLEAN DOESN'T HELP, and electrolytes or not... digestion is still bad--
-I ate wild rice, quinoa, yogurt a lot, some egg whites, arugula, and some triscuits at home a few hrs after dinner
-my stomach was distended and digestion bad before this. I could literally eat a whole pizza or not eat at all and I'd look thinner than before this pfs bullshit. Maybe electrolyte protocol is bad for me bc I'm a slow oxidizer or slow/mixed... I don't know.
-Supps: magnesium chloride, NaCl, some propylene glycol. 200mg Ra. Nothing else.
-March 11th:
One meal maybe, protein shake. If I'm still sick ish.
Edit: Later -- Hairtest results:
Around this time last year I stopped going outside because of this drug. I didn't know what was happening to me. I had law school, sales jobs, etc in my grasp.
One phone call, an interview, and a discussion - I literally had good jobs lined up weeks before taking finasteride.
-I had lived downtown and commuted to the styx to study. I was finally able to live and work downtown (which is amazing for ADHD).
-Now I'm where I hate again, hometown only for a bit. But life and I are usually fast... days drone on here. I hate it here bc of my past and family brushes off my issues,
even though they have zero idea (not talking only about pfs, I've been thru that and 100x more).
Anyways, I'll work on that again - but I'm temporarily in Western Canada, and the jobs that matter for me are in the East. As are my connections.
-Testing:
-I asked the hair testing consultant about Copper being related to ADHD+BPII.
-She replied: "It could be copper, or even aluminum. We won't know for sure until I get the test results, I'll definitely forward you the scanned copies right away so you get them ASAP."
-I went and picked up endocrine tests:
-Results:
-1. Urine, 24H 16.72 mmol/day Ref Range: 8.80-22.10 mmol/day
-2. Cortisol, 24H Urine 159.5 nmol/day Ref Range: 100-380 nmol/day -high/low? Crushed by fasting and or Ellaone? Mid-range?
-3. Cortisol AM 321 nmol/L Ref Range: 170-500 nmol/L
-4. Adrenocorticotropic Hormone (ACTH) 5.0 pmol/L Ref Range: 2.0-11.5 pmol/L
-5. Bioavailable Testosterone:
Albumin (final): 43g/L Ref Range: 33-48 g/L
SHBG : 35 nmol/L Ref Range: 10-55 nmol/L --Lower than last time, but that was just a blood test maybe this was too, I don't remember.
Test Final: 19.3 nmol/L Ref Range: 8.0-29.0 nmol/L
Bioavailable Testosterone (Final): 9.3 nmol/L Ref Range: (4.0 - 16.0) nmol/L
-So my test is low I guess. Fuck this all. I wasn't working out and was too messed up to, and fasted 20 days and was still refeeding when I got this all done last week.
-I guess it's not so bad. Estrogen is low and test is low-medium.
-Fitness: Ok, getting back into things. I have to relearn/ask my gym back home what kinds of things I was doing for physio/sports rehab.
-I may buy some weights for legs -- bc it's hard to do legs at my current gym (crowded in that section, and I did lunges, single leg lifts, etc).
-Diet: Fine. Will eat low calories and just veg + protein on rest days. And all that and higher cals and carbs more on workout days.
-Supps: Only electrolytes after a meal, and NaCl. I need KCl still.
Low test or not, I'd still fuck Shkreli and his pharma douche friends up.
-I can't tolerate the electrolyte protocol. Maybe magnesium chloride, sodium chloride, and potentially potassium chloride.
-but nothing else for now till I get ****ARL HMTA back****.
-zero yogurt, zero nuts, zero crackers, zero anything that upsets my stomach (seems to be a lot sometimes). No hot sauce.
-diet --
Friday March 9th 2018:
Tiny potatoes, spinach, vegan protein shake 200, and some iced coffee. Spinach, peas, chicken and turkey small portions. Tiny bit of yogurt, and 4 triscuits. Olive oil, garlic, ginger. 1100 cals or so 65gp, 60gcarbs, 40-50 g fat. Around that.
-I consider taking some histidine again, and part of a banana for potassium.
-I took NAC Histidine 2 capsules + 2 cysteine + 50mg (mag chloride earlier after dinner). And breuss juice some (mostly beet).
-To see if that helps digestion.
-March 10th:
Eating out, one meal. salad, no sauce, meat. No apps. Napalese food. Probably not healthy. I'll eat only meats and veg.
-One meal butter 4.30pm, olive oil (tiny bit), sea salt, spinach, snap peas, minced turkey and 0.7 chicken breast like 500 cals/35gp, 25gf, 10gcarbs or less.
-Dinner: One lamb and spinach curry dish. A bit of fish... Indian/Nepali food. 2 pieces of fish. 600cals/28gp. 80gc maybe, 50gfat... I estimate this as unhealthily as I can.
-SINCE DIGESTION IS BAD and EATING CLEAN DOESN'T HELP, and electrolytes or not... digestion is still bad--
-I ate wild rice, quinoa, yogurt a lot, some egg whites, arugula, and some triscuits at home a few hrs after dinner
-my stomach was distended and digestion bad before this. I could literally eat a whole pizza or not eat at all and I'd look thinner than before this pfs bullshit. Maybe electrolyte protocol is bad for me bc I'm a slow oxidizer or slow/mixed... I don't know.
-Supps: magnesium chloride, NaCl, some propylene glycol. 200mg Ra. Nothing else.
-March 11th:
One meal maybe, protein shake. If I'm still sick ish.
Edit: Later -- Hairtest results:
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MNK99
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I'm really thinking about a lot of different things right now (trying to treat this, or that, not treating this or that, using this or not...)
Taking this or not taking that.
How to speed up the entire process. Waiting, etc. That hair test can't get here any sooner. Nor can the ru486.
***So to keep me on track, this is just a reminder so I stop being so indecisive. I can hold out 2 weeks.***
"If you are going to do it definitely do ella/RU run, do electrolyte protocol for sure though during the snap back." As per @TubZy.
-I am trying to run just the three salts, with no gelatin and no betaine HCL though as they do mess my digestion up.
-BUT I dropped them and digestion is still messed up.
-Possibly due to the tiny amount of yogurt I ate although even if I am slightly lactose intolerant, I always ate some small yogurt.
I don't actually feel that bad, just may have jumped ahead on my list a bit, and also have some muscle pain, and a bad stomach.
Q: Is there any issue in taking Mg, K, Na chlorides and histidine and cysteine?
**I think 1 more key thing is adjusting 1 key thing downwards to 2x100mg** as per @freeflow.
Thanks also: Aztec, Joekool, Niles, and others. I get it now.
Like JQD I won't discuss with family, bc they don't understand. Same with business.
"This rule is so underrated
Keep your family and business completely separated" -BIGGIE.
Taking this or not taking that.
How to speed up the entire process. Waiting, etc. That hair test can't get here any sooner. Nor can the ru486.
***So to keep me on track, this is just a reminder so I stop being so indecisive. I can hold out 2 weeks.***
"If you are going to do it definitely do ella/RU run, do electrolyte protocol for sure though during the snap back." As per @TubZy.
-I am trying to run just the three salts, with no gelatin and no betaine HCL though as they do mess my digestion up.
-BUT I dropped them and digestion is still messed up.
-Possibly due to the tiny amount of yogurt I ate although even if I am slightly lactose intolerant, I always ate some small yogurt.
I don't actually feel that bad, just may have jumped ahead on my list a bit, and also have some muscle pain, and a bad stomach.
Q: Is there any issue in taking Mg, K, Na chlorides and histidine and cysteine?
**I think 1 more key thing is adjusting 1 key thing downwards to 2x100mg** as per @freeflow.
Thanks also: Aztec, Joekool, Niles, and others. I get it now.
Like JQD I won't discuss with family, bc they don't understand. Same with business.
"This rule is so underrated
Keep your family and business completely separated" -BIGGIE.
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MNK99
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If digestion is bad, can one fix it by eating very badly for one day?
-I ate triscuits, arugula, egg whites, yogurt, quinoa/wild rice... and that's a cheat day. No more.
-I ate cheese as a kid and kept yogurt... but for now none of that.
-Other times I was healthy, physically at least. the stress in my mind I dealt with alone, except for a few close friends. I looked healthy and fitter though.
I could literally drink all night/ eat an entire gluten free pizza (once every 2 weeks/ during studying), or whatever before this and not have as bad digestion. I don't know wtf is going on. I won't have any more gluten nor "near gluten" like whatever the hell quinoa is. I don't even like it, but it was in my house. I usually stick to straight white rice or brown rice and only a few times a week. My cheat day is like a little girl's normal day, diet wise. I'd fast if I wasn't looking for jobs/ working out / doing things that require calories.
-Downswing you could say -- digestion wise.
-I don't get it. People eat McDonalds, smoke, and never exercise and live it up (probably not that many people with that crappy of a lifestyle, are living it up, but you know what I mean).
-Nevertheless tons of people eat garbage, smoke, and drink all day and still live happy, fun-filled, easy-go-lucky fucking easy lives.
-I don't even like cooking and all that --- this is why I did intermittent fasting and alternate day fasting before, so I could spend as little time cooking/thinking about calories, grams of fat, protein, and carbs per day. And still get fitness results.
-But I was eating super clean for some time before this. I will again....
-I'll eat cleaner. Lose the crappy carbs. I thought no yogurt/ but I remember in normal health yogurt helped with bad digestion.
-I don't know wtf man.
-I guess if I absolutely must accept bad digestion and bloatedness to make ella stick, then maybe I will.
It's almost like I have kwashiorkor disease. Obviously I don't but this is ridiculous.
Obviously I'll still keep fighting - because those parasites that caused this to me, are not better than me. I'm far better than them.
-I have a right to be mad and at the end of all this, even if I make X amount of dollars, after fixing this all. I will still be pissed off.
Probably moreso.
-I have a professional school plan / and a backup plan which involves at least 2 ways to make money / and a passion.
-BUT I need to be very mentally sharp to do either one of those.
-Sorry guys and girls... I'll make my next update more positive. It will be post-r-andro or post ru.
-I'll re-edit my most erratic posts.
-Maybe I need to slow down for a minute and just chill out a little.
-My apologies for going off the rails a bit.
-PROGRESS Percentage: Maybe 30-40% from below zero before. I think that's good. It's probably good.
-Anyways it can all still be cool. Everything is cool. Seriously, everything is cool.
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-coffee:
I'm gonna order some deathwish coffee (one of my favorites) - maybe it will help digestion.
And get using an aeropress (borrowing a friend's for now, mine's far away).
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Wish-C...sr=8-1-spons&keywords=death+wish+coffee&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Aerobie-Aero...UTF8&qid=1520762130&sr=8-1&keywords=aeropress
-I ate triscuits, arugula, egg whites, yogurt, quinoa/wild rice... and that's a cheat day. No more.
-I ate cheese as a kid and kept yogurt... but for now none of that.
-Other times I was healthy, physically at least. the stress in my mind I dealt with alone, except for a few close friends. I looked healthy and fitter though.
I could literally drink all night/ eat an entire gluten free pizza (once every 2 weeks/ during studying), or whatever before this and not have as bad digestion. I don't know wtf is going on. I won't have any more gluten nor "near gluten" like whatever the hell quinoa is. I don't even like it, but it was in my house. I usually stick to straight white rice or brown rice and only a few times a week. My cheat day is like a little girl's normal day, diet wise. I'd fast if I wasn't looking for jobs/ working out / doing things that require calories.
-Downswing you could say -- digestion wise.
-I don't get it. People eat McDonalds, smoke, and never exercise and live it up (probably not that many people with that crappy of a lifestyle, are living it up, but you know what I mean).
-Nevertheless tons of people eat garbage, smoke, and drink all day and still live happy, fun-filled, easy-go-lucky fucking easy lives.
-I don't even like cooking and all that --- this is why I did intermittent fasting and alternate day fasting before, so I could spend as little time cooking/thinking about calories, grams of fat, protein, and carbs per day. And still get fitness results.
-But I was eating super clean for some time before this. I will again....
-I'll eat cleaner. Lose the crappy carbs. I thought no yogurt/ but I remember in normal health yogurt helped with bad digestion.
-I don't know wtf man.
-I guess if I absolutely must accept bad digestion and bloatedness to make ella stick, then maybe I will.
It's almost like I have kwashiorkor disease. Obviously I don't but this is ridiculous.
Obviously I'll still keep fighting - because those parasites that caused this to me, are not better than me. I'm far better than them.
-I have a right to be mad and at the end of all this, even if I make X amount of dollars, after fixing this all. I will still be pissed off.
Probably moreso.
-I have a professional school plan / and a backup plan which involves at least 2 ways to make money / and a passion.
-BUT I need to be very mentally sharp to do either one of those.
-Sorry guys and girls... I'll make my next update more positive. It will be post-r-andro or post ru.
-I'll re-edit my most erratic posts.
-Maybe I need to slow down for a minute and just chill out a little.
-My apologies for going off the rails a bit.
-PROGRESS Percentage: Maybe 30-40% from below zero before. I think that's good. It's probably good.
-Anyways it can all still be cool. Everything is cool. Seriously, everything is cool.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-coffee:
I'm gonna order some deathwish coffee (one of my favorites) - maybe it will help digestion.
And get using an aeropress (borrowing a friend's for now, mine's far away).
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Wish-C...sr=8-1-spons&keywords=death+wish+coffee&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/Aerobie-Aero...UTF8&qid=1520762130&sr=8-1&keywords=aeropress
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MNK99
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-I will drop electrolyte protocol except I will keep the spinach + protein and NaCl and all that. No Mg, No other stuff... until I get KCl.
-I'll see if I snapback from that. And continue doing the other stuff that I'm doing.
-Keep intermittent fasting, and exercising.
-Even once KCl is here, I'll likely be on the next part of my protocol, and looking forward to ru486 soon afterwards (but not too soon).
-I'll have it all on hand at least. I don't think digestive enzymes, the chlorides, the betaine HCL, gelatin are for me, just yet.
-I tried all of it minus the KCl, but I did take bananas, tomato juice, beet juice, etc at times.
-KCl shipped out, ru486 should be en route to eastern Canada. And then here soon afterwards.
-Nofap, zero dairy, zero gluten (only slipped up 1-2x).
-Jogged a bit, 20mins. Warmed up a bit and then intervals. Easier than last time. 3pm.
-Strength training - upper body mostly. Decent. Leg press finally again. Some Bosu/Swiss ball stuff at home after. 7.30pm.
-Re: Electrolytes - Tubzy says "Drop it for now and see how you snap back from it." Affirmative.
-Supps: Just some magnesium citrate to see if it messes me up at all or if it helps digestion.
-Diet: -some protein, pb, spinach, almond make shake 400cals/35gp; eggs and spinach 13gp, 150cals.
-dinner: Like spinach, tomatoes, snap peas, ginger, garlic, turkey, herbs. 800cals/40gp. And juice 200cals.
-and some gelatin, iced coffee later at nite. 1700cals/87gp. Medium-high fat, 55gcarbs around there.
-I may add MSM, liver care -- milk thistle or something else, dandelion tea, something to help digestion, maybe atrantil.
-I'll see if I snapback from that. And continue doing the other stuff that I'm doing.
-Keep intermittent fasting, and exercising.
-Even once KCl is here, I'll likely be on the next part of my protocol, and looking forward to ru486 soon afterwards (but not too soon).
-I'll have it all on hand at least. I don't think digestive enzymes, the chlorides, the betaine HCL, gelatin are for me, just yet.
-I tried all of it minus the KCl, but I did take bananas, tomato juice, beet juice, etc at times.
-KCl shipped out, ru486 should be en route to eastern Canada. And then here soon afterwards.
-Nofap, zero dairy, zero gluten (only slipped up 1-2x).
-Jogged a bit, 20mins. Warmed up a bit and then intervals. Easier than last time. 3pm.
-Strength training - upper body mostly. Decent. Leg press finally again. Some Bosu/Swiss ball stuff at home after. 7.30pm.
-Re: Electrolytes - Tubzy says "Drop it for now and see how you snap back from it." Affirmative.
-Supps: Just some magnesium citrate to see if it messes me up at all or if it helps digestion.
-Diet: -some protein, pb, spinach, almond make shake 400cals/35gp; eggs and spinach 13gp, 150cals.
-dinner: Like spinach, tomatoes, snap peas, ginger, garlic, turkey, herbs. 800cals/40gp. And juice 200cals.
-and some gelatin, iced coffee later at nite. 1700cals/87gp. Medium-high fat, 55gcarbs around there.
-I may add MSM, liver care -- milk thistle or something else, dandelion tea, something to help digestion, maybe atrantil.
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Niles
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You got this! I've been going through a similar downswing, but weathering the rough patches is just part of the journey. You clearly have the ability and drive to beat this, plus you beat PSSD! Good times are ahead.
Also, I noticed that when I started eating healthy I unintentionally cut my daily caloric intake in half... So if you're like me and used to 2500+ calories a day, it takes A LOT of roast chicken, veggies, eggs, etc to get there. I was definitely not the type to meal prep or eat healthily before PFS either, so the growing pains are real.
I recently started supping ox bile, tudca, and MCT oil (ALWAYS start slow with MCT) in addition to the betaine (still hit or miss for me) and enzymes because my fat absorption is such shit right now, and my fat soluble vitamin levels are hurting. Just been a few days, but already having more sustained energy/less indigestion with these in the mix.
Also, I noticed that when I started eating healthy I unintentionally cut my daily caloric intake in half... So if you're like me and used to 2500+ calories a day, it takes A LOT of roast chicken, veggies, eggs, etc to get there. I was definitely not the type to meal prep or eat healthily before PFS either, so the growing pains are real.
I recently started supping ox bile, tudca, and MCT oil (ALWAYS start slow with MCT) in addition to the betaine (still hit or miss for me) and enzymes because my fat absorption is such shit right now, and my fat soluble vitamin levels are hurting. Just been a few days, but already having more sustained energy/less indigestion with these in the mix.
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